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FIREWALL 08-11-09 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by mookiemookie (Post 1148998)
Because I'd much rather have my tax dollars going to help our own society rather than going to health insurance companies who don't care about me, or better yet, to buy bombs to drop on Iraq.


Drop bombs on Iraq ? What kinda Drugs are you on ?

You bounce around like a Skitzo.

You are about WHACKO !!!

AVGWarhawk 08-11-09 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by mookiemookie (Post 1148998)
Because I'd much rather have my tax dollars going to help our own society rather than going to health insurance companies who don't care about me, or better yet, to buy bombs to drop on Iraq.


Hmmmm.......I have had 3 collapsed lungs and a hernia operation. All covered. Bills paid. I have two children. Birth right through immunizations and health checks without a hitch. My wife had nasal surgery. Plus other lesser problems such as tendonitis, etc. No one has dropped me for anything! Even a recurring collapsed lung problem. My dad with recurring heart problems has not been dropped. Both my mother-in-law and father-in-law died of cancer but they were covered right to the end. I know of no one dropped like a bad habit when it comes to insurance other that auto.

mookiemookie 08-11-09 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by FIREWALL (Post 1149008)
Drop bombs on Iraq ? What kinda Drugs are you on ?

You bounce around like a Skitzo.

You are about WHACKO !!!

Thank you for your mature, well-reasoned and valuable contribution to this thread.

Takeda Shingen 08-11-09 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Sailor Steve (Post 1149002)
And that's the problem with modern American society - the inherent gap between 'Individual Liberty' and 'Promote the General Welfare'. On the one hand it can be argued that for civilization to survive we need to take care of those of us who can't take care of themselves. On the other we have the very real difference between convincing people that they should help and forcing them to do what you think is right by simply taking what you think is appropriate.

The answer to that question? Good luck finding one.

Quoted for truth.

Onkel Neal 08-11-09 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by mookiemookie (Post 1148929)
Not really. I think if there's going to be a debate, people need to debate reality. When people start going off about the bill including roving death squads who are euthanizing the elderly, it just tickles me to call people out on their BS.

Boy, do I agree with that :up:
EDIT: Of course, I think there were/are plenty of people spewing BS about the Bush administration, let's call BS on them too :)



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Originally Posted by Sea Demon (Post 1148945)
They know instinctively that Barack Obama cannot promise more and more health care to more and more people with fewer doctors and nurses and NOT resort to rationing and higher taxes. We don't like it ... and we're speaking out. Get used to it. And while you're at it, understand that you are responsible for your own health care. Not me or the taxpayers.

Ultimately, I think that is where govt run health care will end up. Same as Social Security. After a generation it will be a failed enterprise in need of perpetual bailouts.

Sea Demon 08-11-09 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by mookiemookie (Post 1148980)
They do and the practice is encouraged. THAT is reality: http://articles.latimes.com/2009/jun...s/fi-rescind17

I don't think you read page two of that article that shows Wellpoint's response to the fraud and abuse exposed. I hold out judgement on the other case until it's known exactly why some of the rescissions occured. My 2 year old daughter who had hip dysplasia just had over $70,000 worth of bills from our insurance covered through Blue Cross with no problems or rescission. Real world case....real world experience. And no problems with receiving care.

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You're sadly misinformed. From the bill itself: Of course this is not mandatory. The services are covered if you desire to make use of it. How you people take this to mean government assisted suicide is beyond me.
There's more to it than that. There is a concern to the effect of rationing due rto rising costs. Actually it's inevitable. And most people have figured out that soaring deficits will force the issue. The elderly are figuring this out quickly. It's not roving death squads, but the concern is costs, and shortages forcing the inevitable. Most people with some economic sense can figure this one out pretty easily. Also I think you need to go back and read pages 239 and 427 again. It's pretty ominous stuff there.

Some of us don't want bureacrats involved at any point in our health care at all? It's a disaster in the making. Looks like 57% oppose the current Democrat approach. And only 32% want single payer.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/publ...care_57_oppose



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Sorry if I don't buy into the "screw you - I got mine!" attitude when our society is being choked to death by corporations putting their profits before our health and welfare.
I didn't always "have mine". I had to work, plan and prioritize for it. But it is a question of when you think you are responsible for your own life. Do you think the taxpayers owe you a car mookie? If not...why not. You probably need some form of transportation to get to a job or get to your government provided doctor. Right? How about auto insurance? Should taxpayers pony up for your auto insurance...because as you know...you're just one collision away from bankruptcy possibly. How about the taxpayer owing you free food and vitamins for your health? Gotta eat right? Can't work without nutrition. Do you think the taxpayers should also throw you Universal housing? If not...why not? The issue is, at what point are you responsible for yourself mookie?

Sea Demon 08-11-09 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Neal Stevens (Post 1149029)
Ultimately, I think that is where govt run health care will end up. Same as Social Security. After a generation it will be a failed enterprise in need of perpetual bailouts.

And unfortunately, your grandkids and mine will someday have to pay for this mess in the making. In more ways than one. The people who want this aren't thinking of any of that. They simply want others to pay for what they should be providing for themselves.

TDK1044 08-11-09 01:41 PM

Obama should recall Food Stamps and issue 'Health Stamps' instead. At least then I won't have to stand behind a 300 pound woman at the grocery store, who is talking on her i phone while paying for her cookies and cigarettes with her Food Stamps.

If I'm going to pay for her health care, her fat ass can eat less and exercise more!

August 08-11-09 02:14 PM

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v6...gtownhalls.jpg

:D

Onkel Neal 08-11-09 02:32 PM

President's New Hampshire town hall meeting
 
Anyone see it? Maybe you caught some news on it?

The topic was health care reform. Very interesting. Man, this guy is persuasive.

SteamWake 08-11-09 02:50 PM

Only thing I heard was that people were bussed in from around the state to fill the audiance.

As to the content dont know havent heard/read anything yet so Ill reserve comment.

Takeda Shingen 08-11-09 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by TDK1044 (Post 1149056)
Obama should recall Food Stamps and issue 'Health Stamps' instead. At least then I won't have to stand behind a 300 pound woman at the grocery store, who is talking on her i phone while paying for her cookies and cigarettes with her Food Stamps.

If I'm going to pay for her health care, her fat ass can eat less and exercise more!

Damnit, TDK, I told you to stop following my mother around. And those are my food stamps, thank you very much. The cookies are her's.

FIREWALL 08-11-09 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by mookiemookie (Post 1149015)
Thank you for your mature, well-reasoned and valuable contribution to this thread.


Thank You. :D You could try doing the same. :salute:

geetrue 08-11-09 04:31 PM

I keep sitting here thinking a picture is going to pop up or something ...

I don't see a link ... are you talking about a town hall meeting held in New Hampshire in 2008 before the election?

SteamWake 08-11-09 04:41 PM

No the one he had today Tuesday 08-11-09 in the afternoon while most people were at work :hmmm:

Hey Neal Im not so sure how persuasive this is...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5XTi-...layer_embedded


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