Some how i doubt it , crazed yes, professional no

Well they could've jumped in the water where they would have been picked up by the numerous IDF boats circling around them? Seriously, a situation like that isn't worth escalating into a massacre. What if someone jaywalks, do you shoot them?

If 20 people with sticks attack 1 with a gun in close quarters, who has better odds?

The fact that none of the special forces members died is a small miracle.

And Turkey is no friend of Israel, Turkeys army has been, but their politicians were part of orchestrating this whole incident.

They are also becoming closer with Syria, that and friendship with Israel exclude each other.

Actually Turkey should be kicked out of NATO, they will only bring a lot more problems in the future.

A stick is a werry leathal weapon, there is a reson its a favoured weapon for marcial art. It was not a piece of bamboo they were using.


kitchen knifes can cause some of the worst injuries. A steak knife will tear the flesh in a way that will make it hard to fix. Further more are most kitchen knifes bigger than a combat knife and are more slim with a longer cutting edge that will make any wound far bigger than a combat knife.

The most simple weapons are normaly far more dangerous than there millitary counterparts.

example.

People like to talk about how bad teargas is. I can name 100 examples of acivists using deoderant as a weapon, and other aerosols. Ad firework cracker and you have a far more dangerous weapon.

Anyone trained in crowd control or riot and control and primitive warfare can back me up.

If i had a gun and someone attacked me with a stick or knife i would deffend my self to.

Again my problem with this entire situation is WHERE it happend and not HOW it happend, but i cant sit back and se someone say its not ok that someone shoots in self deffence.

Anyone trained in armed combat knows how to get one shot one kill. If you can fire one round to take the target down you will do it. If you are concerned about surrounding persons you will shot where it give a instant kill, and that is like it or not in the head.

Not all like aspects of gun fights or war. It is ugly but only those in the situation can make a decision, we might not like it, but we were not the ones crawling down a rope to 700 people...

And before flaming me read my posts on this topic and you know where i stand. You have to break the entire situation down in boxes and evaluate all the boxes before you can get the full picture and you have to look at both sides.

Boarding, wrong

Self deffence, correct

L.T

You clearly dont know what your talking about.

I actually have a friend in the FDF special forces and they praise the IDF guys that have come to train them.

You know the whole is bigger in the exit, i wouldnt take some eye witness accounts too serious.

And head shot is a head shot, mark of professionalism in a chaotic situation.

You can see in the videos that they didnt first want to use their weapons but when they did they worked like they have been tought.

The only one to blame is this one

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-..._5210206_n.jpg

His the guy on top, hes fault...:arrgh!:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E9Y4lmQ6w-c

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k8eEH7oozxo

http://www.rauhanturvaajaliitto.fi/lehti/5_06/isop.html

You know, if they have have a mission to stop that ship, you think they will just jump ship or surrender?

This was all the result of the stupid people on that ship, they should have known better to try to club them dead.
These were special forces operators, not your local police or customs officers.

So? Your point being?

I think the utube clips sums it up in one OK
i think some people posting here should watch them too,

http://www.africancrisis.co.za/image...ind_babies.jpg


Thats how we see it

With respect for the dead

Find one conflict zone in all history where there was no "blue on blue" shootings.

If you have an army of 50.000

500 of those will either shoot on blue. Commit crimes or break the rules of war...we are humans not robots...

Any participant in a conflict will fight them self as well as the enmy.

You will have to follow orders that will be against what you feel are right.

You will se things that no one can prepare you for.

Alot will end up with problems understanding what they are apart of and the feelings they get from being in something as stressfull as a combat zone.

Living for extended time in hazardous zones will make you more accepteble to paranoia.

Anyone who have served on the ground in conflict zones know what i talk about.

An Israeli soldier lives in constand fear for kidnapping, or to be killed (and thats outside the confict zone) Many of them have seen comrades being killed either in the C-zone or by bombs in Israel. Many Israeli soldiers are werry young (forced drafting where you WILL be send into combat)

There elite forces have seen what they are up against, they have seen things many of us hopefully wount se.

From a combat psykological point of things, its a damn miracle that no more was killed.

sorry...

L.T

How? Those are from the Lebanon operation and if i look at it from the Israeli perspective those UN troops are useless.

We have this frustrating situation with frustrated teens on both sides start ramming each other.

Or the Hizbollah using the UN positions to attack Israel, it should be the UN forces to kick them out from their own positions.
But they cant, so the mission is useless and they shouldn even be there.

Good picture MH !!, were is the solider aiming ?