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TarJak 08-07-13 12:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Platapus (Post 2096212)
After a successful revolution, one of the first rules the new government makes is to make another revolution illegal. :D

After all revolutions in the first person are justified -- our revolution
It is only when used in the third person -- their revolution -- is it problematic. :haha:

As has been the problem in Egypt in the past few months.

Mittelwaechter 08-07-13 01:05 PM

You do what we do? You are evil - we are good!

http://www.theguardian.com/commentis...dition-snowden

Catfish 08-07-13 02:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mittelwaechter (Post 2096577)
You do what we do? You are evil - we are good!
http://www.theguardian.com/commentis...dition-snowden


Back to the good old times :rotfl2::rotfl2::rotfl2::

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s6-2b_3Dmxw

Jimbuna 08-07-13 03:15 PM

Well as always in politics...the pendulum swings both ways.

Platapus 08-07-13 04:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jimbuna (Post 2096646)
Well as always in politics...the pendulum swings both ways.

The confusing thing is that sometimes it swings both ways at the same time! :doh:

Wolferz 08-08-13 06:33 AM

Putin on the brakes.

Way to go Eddie boy!:up:

XabbaRus 08-09-13 03:06 AM

The Russian perspective from my wife is one of apathy and no surprise. While part of it is the two fingers up to America that Russians seem to enjoy it is also one of not being surprised at the Snowden revelations. Maybe it is from seven decades of living in a surveillance society but they don't trust their government and it doesn't trust them. They know governments want to know what their citizens are doing. To be honest I think Obama shouldn't of made such a big fuss of getting him back as the spotlight has stayed on him and the US government. Time will tell. Though my wife's first suspicion was that the whole thing was a double bluff on the part of the CIA

Mittelwaechter 08-09-13 01:20 PM

“We don’t have a domestic spying program,” Obama told Leno during a Tuesday night interview. "What we do have are some mechanisms where we can track a phone number or an email address that we know is connected to some sort of terrorist threat."

Distraction and desinformation with the president's voice!

Obama’s former adviser Van Jones ridicules statement that NSA doesn’t spy on Americans.

Van Jones said Wednesday on CNN. "First of all, we do have a domestic spying program, and what we need to be able to do is figure out how to balance these things, not pretend like there’s no balancing to be done.”


http://rt.com/usa/us-obama-surveillance-snowden-296/

Ducimus 08-09-13 02:24 PM

Email service linked to NSA leaker Edward Snowden shuts down
Quote:

A Texas-based email service reportedly used by National Security Agency systems analyst Edward Snowden said it was shutting down Thursday, explaining in a cryptic message that it would rather go out of business than "become complicit in crimes against the American people."



From http://lavabit.com/
Quote:

My Fellow Users,

I have been forced to make a difficult decision: to become complicit in crimes against the American people or walk away from nearly ten years of hard work by shutting down Lavabit. After significant soul searching, I have decided to suspend operations. I wish that I could legally share with you the events that led to my decision. I cannot. I feel you deserve to know what’s going on--the first amendment is supposed to guarantee me the freedom to speak out in situations like this. Unfortunately, Congress has passed laws that say otherwise. As things currently stand, I cannot share my experiences over the last six weeks, even though I have twice made the appropriate requests.

What’s going to happen now? We’ve already started preparing the paperwork needed to continue to fight for the Constitution in the Fourth Circuit Court of Appeals. A favorable decision would allow me resurrect Lavabit as an American company.

This experience has taught me one very important lesson: without congressional action or a strong judicial precedent, I would _strongly_ recommend against anyone trusting their private data to a company with physical ties to the United States.

Sincerely,
Ladar Levison
Owner and Operator, Lavabit LLC

Defending the constitution is expensive! Help us by donating to the Lavabit Legal Defense Fund here.

Wolferz 08-09-13 03:42 PM

http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/b...baghdadbob.jpg

Why does Lavabit need legal defense?

Wxman 08-09-13 04:17 PM

Russia "disappointed" bilateral talks with US cancelled
BBC News (US & Canada)
7 August 2013 Last updated at 17:10 ET


Quote:


...Russian foreign affairs adviser Yuri Ushakov said on Wednesday...

..."This decision is clearly linked to the situation with former agent of US special services [Edward] Snowden, which hasn't been created by us," he said during a phone conference with the press.

"For many years, the Americans have avoided signing an extradition agreement," Mr Ushakov said, "And they have invariably responded negatively to our requests for extradition of people who committed crimes on the territory of Russia, pointing at the absence of such agreement."

"Russian representatives are ready to continue working together with American partners on all key issues on the bilateral and multilateral agenda," Mr Ushakov said

"For many years, the Americans have avoided signing an extradition agreement," Mr Ushakov said, "And they have invariably responded negatively to our requests for extradition of people who committed crimes on the territory of Russia, pointing at the absence of such agreement."

But he added the invitation for the bilateral summit was still open.

"Russian representatives are ready to continue working together with American partners on all key issues on the bilateral and multilateral agenda," Mr Ushakov said.

The decision to cancel the talks, announced during a trip by the US president to Los Angeles...[to make an appearance on the Jay Leno evening chat-show?]

...in which he condemned a newly enacted anti-gay law in Russia.

"I have no patience for countries that try to treat gays or lesbians or transgender persons in ways that intimidate them or are harmful to them," Mr Obama said...

Its a real shame when the Russians make more sense than the American pResident in the White House. So essentially the matter boils down to being an issue concerning homosexuals? What a staggering baffoon and unmitigated walking disaster.


http://i645.photobucket.com/albums/u...ps4cac9541.jpg

Wxman 08-09-13 04:31 PM

The fallout over the Snowden affair is a symptom of a much more fundamental crisis in US-Russia relations that has continued despite the effort during Mr Obama's first term to "reset" relations with Moscow...


http://a57.foxnews.com/global.fncsta...30609.jpg?ve=1

Secretary of State Hillary Clinton learned that lesson the hard way Friday when she presented Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov with a gift bearing an incorrect translation -- one that implied hostility, rather than peacemaking.

Clinton presented Lavrov with a gift-wrapped red button, which said "Reset" in English and "Peregruzka" in Russian. The problem was, "peregruzka" doesn't mean reset. It means overcharged, or overloaded.

And Lavrov called her out on it.

SEE: Clinton Goofs on Russian Translation, Tells Diplomat She Wants to 'Overcharge' Ties

Obama's Blockbuster Gift for Brown: 25 DVDs

Quote:

...Brown, who is not known to be a movie buff, gave the president and his children several uniquely historical gifts.
  • a pen holder fashioned from the oak timber of HMS Gannet, a Navy vessel that served on anti-slavery missions off Africa
  • a framed commissioning paper for the HMS Resolute, a Royal Navy ship that came to symbolize British-American goodwill when it was rescued by the U.S. from icebergs and given to Queen Victoria. It is the sister ship of the HMS Gannet.
  • a first edition of Martin Gilbert's seven-volume biography of Winston Churchill, whose World War II partnership with President Franklin Roosevelt symbolized the U.S.-Anglo alliance.
For Sasha and Malia, Sarah Brown, the Prime Minister's wife, gave each
  • an outfit from Topshop, a British chain of clothing stores
  • selected six children's books by British authors which have yet to be published in the U.S.

...The prime minister's reaction to the DVD set is not known.

That notwithstanding, its actually the gift that keeps on giving though: the DVD region code blocked the British Prime Minister from enjoying Obama's gift.

The prime minister's reaction to the DVD region code for the DVD set gifted to him blocking his viewing pleasure is not known.

Ducimus 08-09-13 04:41 PM

I always though the whole concept of "lets hit the reset button" was ludicrious. As if to magically forget everything that happened in the past, or like it's a video game and you get another life, or reload a saved game and try something over.

Sadly, that's not how real life works. So i though the whole "reset" language being used by this administration was both nieve and laughable.

Mittelwaechter 08-12-13 07:50 AM

If you are interested in a different, special point of view concerning the administration's response to the NSA surveillance leaks, how the public and the Congress is totally disinformed about the facts and how the administration slowly turns mad about the whole issue.

https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20...ce-leaks.shtml

Mittelwaechter 08-14-13 02:37 PM

From a NYT interview with Edward Snowden:

Why did you seek out Laura and Glenn, rather than journalists from major American news outlets (N.Y.T., W.P., W.S.J. etc.)?

Edward Snowden: After 9/11, many of the most important news outlets in America abdicated their role as a check to power — the journalistic responsibility to challenge the excesses of government — for fear of being seen as unpatriotic and punished in the market during a period of heightened nationalism. From a business perspective, this was the obvious strategy, but what benefited the institutions ended up costing the public dearly. The major outlets are still only beginning to recover from this cold period.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/08/18/ma...ranscript.html

Made my day.


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