I might be dead wrong, but sometimes I have the impression that the amount of classified (virtually unknown) devices and capabilities is much more complex than what I get to assume playing DW, like if we get to deal with stuff that was modern 20 years ago :roll: :oops:

Oh like the inflatable tank decoys Ivan devloped? :know:

Yep, I admit I got the idea from that...and also the British did it in WW2 to good effect. But has it ever been thought of at sea?

But let's just admit that it's hard this day and age having an original idea...how about a ship made of biological material which "heals" itself if damaged? :rock:That's not my idea, by the way...I read it in a newspaper.

In sprit yes. The U-Boats had a decoy they could release that reflected radar signals giving a false target. Making the shape of a ship is of little value in the days of beyond visual range detection.

Didn't the seaQuest DSV have a hull like that?

What about torpedoes with nuclear propulsion? And at least have it sending the pinging frequency back to the boat might help. You could know if your torpedo aquired the sub or the decoy...

The torpedo would be huge to accomdate the radation shelding to protect the crew (weapon needs to be stored after all). Go look up 'Project Pluto' (...if you no longer wish to sleep at night).

The operators of wireguided fish have systems to tell if they have locked a decoy or the target so does the torpedoes AI.

EDIT: I'm such a killjoy aren't I? :lol:

How about this? A sub with active sound emiters which emits sounds of whales humping. The enemy would hear the sound and think it's a group of whales having an orgy. :|\\

You still would see the sub own frequencies too. Rather many UUV-Like fishes that emit all ownship frequencies and run at 10-15 knots on different directions?

Kurushio: I like this mans mind ! Great lateral thinking !:rotfl:

His originality would have served well in the 'Bilges' thread ! :lol:

Ever see Down Periscope or read Patrick Robinson's 'Kilo Class'? :know:

No on both accounts. The only Patrick Robinson book I've read is the one where they nuke the Nimitz (called 'Nimitz Class' maybe?). Though I have to check out 'Kilo Class'. I've sort of grown fond of the Kilo...

In response to the original "man-out-of-torpedo-tube" theory, werent the Kursk's torpedo tubes designed for that, as an emergency escape measure, should the rescue bouy or hatches fail?

I'm guessing it was never tested, what with the entire front of the sub being blown up and all. Shouldnt they be spending more time making the sub in such a way that it cant get IN emergency situations in the first place? ;)

Well, after doing a little research and consulting some people, it would be possible to fire a man out of a torpedo without injury, if not light injury (a few bumps and bruises). If I am right, torpedoes are launched by compressed air, so if a person is in a torpedo tube with scuba equipment, and the submarine is at an adeuqete depth for human survival, they could very much so survive being launched from a torpedo tube.

Way back when, we were doing an at sea burial for a WWII torpedoman who was cremated, and we were dumping his ashes at sea. When dumping the ashes overboard from the sail someone (the OOD, the captain, COW, who knows) forgot to secure surface ventilating. Sucked his ashes right into the snorkel induction mast. But that is a different tale.

On that same trip out the engineer told me that he was happy that the torpedoman in question did not ask to be ejected from a torpedo tube. As he put it the LAST boat that tried to eject a wrapped veteren body out of a tube spent most of a day shooting water slug after water slug attempting to clear out the debris that had become his body. It seems that while the torpedo ejections system is made to move a specifc mass out of the tube with a specific velocity. It does not adjust for the the mass of the item IN the tube. Thus the LARGE acceleration foces imparted on the dead mans body caused it to fail rather messesly as they found out during the post tube firing inspection.

Can you FIRE a man out of a torpedo tube?? I would say no. The system is designed to move a multi-TON weapon, not a 200lb person. Can he SWIM out of a tube? Yes.

Exactly my point.
Bellman:Is this thread for real ........................or has the summer silly-season arrived ?:rotfl:

I don't remember if it was a movie or a documentary, but I'm sure I've seen on TV exactly what Bubblehead says. A man inserted into a torpedo tube, flooded the tube and the man "swims" out of the tube. I also remember this was very difficult for the scuba to achieve due to the size of the torpedo tube itself. All in all a risky maneuver...

A very interesting account of the Lock out/Lock in process with divers from a torpedo tube can be found in one of Richard Marcinkos (former USN SEAL) books (one of the fiction ones tho - forgot the title). In short as mentioned above 4 can squeeze 4 divers in with the divers face to face in each pair. So far so uncomfortable (squeeze is meant literally as the legs of the guys overlapp each other and the outside guys have to tug in theirs as good as possible. Once everybody is in the real fun of equalization/pressurization begins and there we have a really fun part as this happens a lot faster then you would normally expect (after all, torpedos do not care). Talk about a fun ride.

This procedure is SOP for most Naval Special Ops Teams in the world (if not all).

http://www.unterwasserfotografie.de/...t_typ_206a.jpg

Two Kampfschwimmer preparing themself for leaving through a topedo tube of a type 206a costal diesel-electric submarine of the German Navy.

I can't say they look particularly happy... :arrgh!:

I don't envy them.

I'm a recreative diver and the first thing I thought seeing the photo is: what amount of things to get hooked!!! (is that the word? :roll:)

Maybe is because is my worst fear when diving: getting trapped with something.
And this two guys, with that gear plenty of things that could get stacked on that thin torpedo tube... :doh:

That's because is a job for few chosen :yep: