do you know most passport holders are legal immigrants coming from other countries? do you really think the only people here are white and speak only english? For crying out loud America is made up from legal and illegal immigrants from all over the world trying to escape oppressive governments, screw ball dictators or seeking a better way of life. Why would a these citizens want a passport to visit a world they just escaped from?

My grand dad immigrated from Norway in 1921 didn't speak a lick of english grandmother was Finn. Communities all over the U.S. where people speak their native tongue AND english. Been to Miami? I have 14 years, U.S. citizens everywhere speaking spanish, indian, chinese, haitian creole AND english. Been to Wisconsin heavy German population guess what they speak?

and why use Kap as an example to illustrate problems in the U.S. is he even from here? did the shooting happen on U.S. soil? facts and location are messed bud

never bring a knife to a gunfight :)

*Thows knife in to Rockstar's hand*

The enemy can not pull a trigger if you disable his hand... medic!

:P :-j

I can't see your point because I don't think it's even there. The Bill of Rights is far more than any one of its ten amendments. It is greater than the sum of its parts, and it would not have survived if it had become "out of date." Without it, there would be no U.S. Constitution. The men who drafted it knew what they were about - unlike some, who enjoy the privilege of posting to public forums without even thinking about what it is that gives them the freedom to do so. If there were no Bill of Rights, none of us in this country would enjoy the singular experience of hearing the opinions of people in yours.

Read more books, Mick. Or move to China; Tienamin Square is a great place to express yourself.

If you outlaw guns lets do it to bows also. Arrows do a nice job of killing. Lets not forget knives with more than a 2" blade.
Nothing wrong with owning a plinking weapon nor something for home defence.
I don't see the need for privatley owned assault weapons however. I know Torpedo has issues on that statement. ;)

deep the men who drafted it existed two hundred years ago when the the new frontier was under threat this is not the case now and people using it as a defense to own all manner of assault weapons why cause they may invaded my personel space its just not valid anymore what next i have an antitank weapon cause the guy next door has one where duz it stop i tell you where it becomes a real issue for people like you when a close relative of yours dies at the hands of some nut who thinks he need to defend himselve from the red indians then you wake up to the fact that the US is without doubt the most paraniod violent state that exists then my friend it will be you who is the one fighting the bill of rights and the constitution , explain to me why that in canada where more people own firearms than there american counterparts that the gun related crime is far below that of the USA to me it proves that in the USA case firearms and a paranoid race of europian rejects that stole there land from its true owners is the reason why the USA is the home of gun crime and gun related murder


p.s in any case my argument still holds true if you dont have a gun you cant ********** kill anyone with it

"proves that in the USA case firearms and a paranoid race of europian rejects that stole there land from its true owners is the reason why the USA is the home of gun crime and gun related murder"

Now that's a good one! I guess we really need to blame the British, French, and Spanish for exploring and settling North America, beginning the hostile takeover of land from the natives, and introducing firearms to both the natives and settlers.

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No, with that many bullets, he should have hit someone, unless... maybe he was intentionally not shooting at people. To solve that problem, I would recommend some training specifically to increase the willingness to shoot at humans. Replacing standard targets with human-shaped targets would be a good first step.


Now, my personal weaponry is limited to an old air rifle. I've also made some pyrotechnics and explosives for recreational use. An interesting hobby if you're careful. Haven't done it for some time though, lack of time, and it's time-consuming if you want to do it safely.

Suppose I like guns, the idea of gun ownership less so.

seems to be a direct correlation between the amount of guns, and the amount of gun deaths. Probably (careful now) makes sense to restrict ownership to those who really need them, like special police teams, and really committed criminals

Safe Pyrotechnics? Pfft! :nope:

I use Red Indian-Native American slave labour to handle my explosives, the only safety measure I have to take is to keep my finger ready at the remote trigger detonator in case the bastards get any clever ideas.

Although I have to admit, it's also a little time-consuming to clean up all the mess. :/\x: :fff: :/\x:

Looking at this forum I've owned and shot more guns than most here combined. I'm proud to say I've never had any firearm or any weapon related accidents and I've been around guns my whole life, started shooting when I was 8 years old. I could set a loaded gun with a round in the chamber and safety off on a table in the middle of the woods and that gun will never fire unless SOMEONE touches it so lets stop blaming the guns and maybe blame those that don't have enough responsibility and sense to feed themselves let alone handle a firearm.

The gun has the capacity to kill, but its the decesion of the peron wether he uses that gun to kill.

But by itself a gun cannot kill.

Best hangun in the world : H&K USP series (Preferably in .40)

Micky, I'm not trying to be funny or critical, but could you use some standard punctuation? Your remarks are hard to read. Thanks.

I was just told you are "word blind", please disregard my previous message. thanks

It seems to me that Micky1up's argument stems from the belief that guns are for killing and anyone who owns a gun must therefore be interested in killing...or perhaps they are so fearful that someone is going to kill them that they must have a gun for protection... well.. guess what.. it aint so!
I would bet that most people who own guns/firearms just happen to have an appreciation for crafted machines.
There are also those who collect guns/firearms from a more historical appreciation.
This is not dissimilar to owning/collecting anything else.. cars, baseball cards, books... the appreciation to collect any of these things is very similar!
I have been exposed to guns all of my life and have owned guns for most of it.. I have yet to kill anyone!
The solution to most of the issues with gun ownership is education.. not prohibition.. There seems to be a tendency in the world today (particularly in the States here), to legislate against stupidity.. this always is done at the expense of the majority of people who act responsibly. For example.. passing a law or ordinance that McDonalds may only serve coffee at a certain temperature or below.. because some dumbass might decide to drive his auto while holding a cup of hot liquid in his lap and spill it.. jeeeeeeeezus! if you cant foresee the possibilities in such an act perhaps what is really needed is to require a license to buy coffee!
There are many laws and ordinances in effect right now that regulate gun ownership (particularly buying a gun I am referring to California), But because of the nature of The USA it is inevitable that some schmucks will get around or through the system... Unfortunately there is not a whole lot that can be done about these individuals without seriously curtailing ordinary citizens rights.. but the majority of gun tragedies could be avoided by better or more education.


Now.. as for guns that I own
Remington Fieldmaster pump action .22 rifle
.22 caliber reproduction of an AK-47 (dont remember who manufactured)
Ruger 10-22 .22 rifle
Calico .22 rifle (this gun has a 100 round helical drum magazine and is semi-auto.. therefore it qualifies as an assault rifle.. yet it does not tempt me to acts of terrorism or banditry!)
Barretta .22 LR pistol
Remington .45 ACP (standard officer sidearm of US WWII)
2 Marlin 30-30 lever action carbines
Remington bolt action 30-06 with Bushnell scope
Mossberg pump action 16 ga. shotgun
Savage double barrel (side by side) 12 ga shotgun

:up: Unfortunately, we nearly always opt for the lowest common denominator.

Considering the many thousands of lives spent defending that constitution i'd say you're wrong...

Really? Obviously you've never been to, well, just about anywhere if you really believe that.

Colt Ar-15
Mossberg 590 .12ga combat shotgun
Remington model 700
Springfield Armory .45

Note: None of the above listed firearms have ever been used to kill anyone or used in the commission of any crime.

Its always been a dream of mine to fire a howitzer into a retirement home... :roll: :dead: