We discuss it freely on the UBI site in the US but I have no idea what happens in Germany.
.
My only association with X-1 is the same offer I made to UBI (which they ignored) that I would comment on the project from the position of historic relevance.
X-1 took me up on this second project.
I had nothing at all to do with advising on the first X-1 release, do not have it and even turned down a request for a copy of it.
I like my modded version.
For me to follow what they are doing they send me the beta Seawolves Mediterranean as it progresses and I comment. I might add while they have taken a lot of my advise they are not making this to my taste but more for gaming. Their conversions have resulted in some very nice models and some I have advised they delete, advise they have ignored!
They did buy a Conway’s so I could give them a basic reference I could point to making it easier for me to relate.
It is a cross between many actual events and ships but exaggerated for increased game play.
I commented to X-1 that this extra activity will not be well received by the purist to which they replied this was not being made for the purist.
I must admit if I were making a commercial project I too would scale it to be more profitable and reach a wider audience.
The modding community is not their audience.
As far as being connected with UBI, well, X-1 has blatantly stated they have authorization and would certainly have put themselves in serious legal jeopardy if that was not true.
Often I have been told they are sending this or that to UBI for approval on different things which either shows UBI keeps some control or X-1 is conducting a huge libelous rouge.
The cross burning mod will believe what they want and X-1 simply does not care what they think and I don’t blame them at all.
Wulfmann

I would be willing to pay for an expansion pack of SH3, only if the expansion pack developer had the SDK and could do things such as:

- Add new playable subs
- Change AI of DDs
- Convert other hardcoded features to options

I bet that 1-2 months after the release of the X1 Med Expansion Pack, that we will see a series of new mods called R(M)uB (Real Mediterranean U-boat), IMuB, Holyhood Med, NYGM MedCapaign, Salamis HT 1.85, Uboat Med Ace and Marhk's Med Madness :rock:

Unless "Med" is to be copyrighted by X1 :rotfl:

Well VH, don't hold your breath UBI is letting bthem expand and edit and not giving up the core stuff.

As far as R(M)UB, IMuB etc I do hope you are right because we will want to make it suit our "purist" taste to which it is not being made.

Wulfmann

After reading more of this topic and OK I was ignorant at first not knowing X-1 was a company.
This made me think of my other interest Flight sim, for those of you who also do FS, isn't there lots of models of aircraft almost everyday being released, so if say I made a model of such and such aircraft then someone also made the same model and used SIMILAR methods to make it, did he steal my model or did he do as the others did and use the same model making tools?
The same goes for add-on scenery, there is lots of it in FS some free some payware, do the scenery designers use SIMILAR methods as each other?
I got to thinking about all the mods and ideas people did and had in SH2, so didn't we get some of them in SH3, we had a wish list for SH3 so may be some more of that wish list is in this add-on pack.
But going back to the flight sim idea, there is lots of payware for that, some of it isn't as good as the freeware and people do post on forums saying so, some of the payware has bugs, there is good and bad, so are we being too harsh before we see this package?

C7777, Because X-1 in their first add on thought (very foolishly) that it would be a good idea to also take the freeware mods and add them to their payware package as an option. This community found out and reacted with strong objection, as should be expected. But after righting the wrong or misstep they have been on a witch hunt.
X-1 released their mediocre package with only their and approved mods but many still assumed even those were stolen and ranted and foamed way beyond reason.
Still, one can understand their resentment to X-1 and this community will never have much but contempt for X-1 no matter what they do in the future.
I do see their point.
But, I also see that X-1 had downloaded the mods and was considering them as adding to their stuff when people here obtained the link and illegally downloaded X-1's stuff to prove their point. It was not proof X-1 was using it but had it and having it is not wrong but using it would be. But, they hadn't!! (Whether they would have, who knows? Some here know for sure, that you can bet on!). So they published with no unapproved mods but the resentment remains and always will.
But, notice it was OK for the do gooders to illegally DL X-1s property. The mod community is above the law!
I also understand that many do not have the time or desire to mod, edit DL etc their SH3 and Seawolves reaches many such people that want their product. It also increases the base of sub sims and supports the future of sub sims. Some are so hell bent on boycotting X-1 they would rather no new SH4 be built than allow X-1 to succeed and expand our base. I still see why they feel this way but would rather out base be expanded to insure a future game. It was reported there would be no SH4 but finally sales reached a point where they decided to do SH4, Halleluiah. Barley just barely. Did Seawolves help this? Probably not. But it did not hurt it because it went Gold and I can assure you the Mediterranean will be a big hit despite the whiners here.
Flight sim mods have had their share of similar things of that I also know.

Wulfmann

If Russel Crow was flying this victorious plane; what kind of plane would it be?
[img]http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y15...pit-cr42-1.jpg[/img]

I know, but after I wrote it I finally got the joke, so I'm editing this.

Hello,
all quite simple:
1. X-1 software, or better this Steffen Trombke, has used free mods made by others and tried to sell it as an expansion, pretending it would have been his work, or the work of X-1. It does not matter to me whether he got the allowance of Ubi to do so. I will not go into details what i think about Ubi in that respect.
2. X-1 software, in this case Steffen Trombke himself, has posted insults and threats against the modding community, he has used other AKAs to propagate the "seawolves" mod here, trying to advertise with false names how "beautiful" this mod is.
3. The same Trombke went so far as to post porn material here, which was certainly more embarrassing for himself and his "X-1" than it did damage to subsim.com. This and other threads started by him were thus shut down and blocked by subsim moderators.

I just think that i will not support anyone who behaves in such a way. If you still want to buy anything from Trombke and his sorry company, i cannot stop you, go ahead.

Greetings,
Catfish

At least as far as I know this Trombke fellow has nothing to do with Seawolves Mediterranean.
But, I should be clear, That is I have not spoken with or communicated with any such person and if he exist in this project he has chosen to stay well clear of me to the point of seeming to not exist at all.
So, I can not confirm or deny anything you say about him but do remember his long ago emails with displeasure.

Wulfmann

Hello,
Wolfer= Steffen Trombke='Ossi' = Boss of X1. Astonished?
And he still trys to advertise in current forums with false names, just type "X-1" and "Trombke" within Google and you will see that all kinds of other boards and websites are well aware of what this guy does.
After i saw how he behaves i certainly have to share your opinion that Trombke cannot be made liable for making any mod for sure, be it the first "Seawolves" or the 2nd mediterranean one. But i have to say i also question his marketing abilities.
Greetings,
Catfish

Hello,
this is one of his "harmless" posts
(Just found that again: Deathping is Trombke b.t.w.)
from the SH3 forum over at UBI (still ask myself what Ubisoft has to do with this, err, nice fellow.)

"deathping--- Posted Mon July 25 2005 19:42
Subsim and the 5 or so losers that inhabit that forum, and when they get bored, float over to this forum should be ashamed of themselves for besmirching a reputable company like X1 software and its developer Steffen Trombke.

I've purchased products overseas for il2 from Mr. Trombke and have had only the best service, the man is so fair, he even returned a few cents in change to me.

For some reason, you losers at subsim seem to think that because you modded some smoke and made it blacker or painted a skin, or stole some images from Das Boot, that you have some sort of ownership over those altered UBI and DAS BOOT files. Well you don't.

Furthermore, I don't even believe that you have seen a copy, this so called stolen copy that some of you rant of. I think you are out and out liars.

And Avon lady, what is with the israeli flag? I thought your people didn't like Germans, you know, because of that holocaust thing and all. Why are you here flaunting that flag? To stir the pot?

Perhaps there is a ruben-sandwich-making simulator out there for you?
"
end quote

Greetings
Catfish

I remember that post and agree with your assesment at it being tasteless at best.
But, If I selectively reprinted the many rediculous mob mentality hateful unwarranted post on this subject by naming respected members here they would reflect just as poorly.
There was little anyone involved would not do to sink to the lowest level allowed on this site.
No one should be proud of their participation including me!

Wulfmann

Hello, final statement ... b.t.w. Wulfmann you said you sure never had any contact with Trombke, but see here:

Additionally, on the 25th, deathping comments on the legal scenario:
Trombke as deathping wrote:

"Exactly right... You modders own nothing! What? you make a new explosion and you think you did something? Or
clouds. YOU OWN NOTHING! I repeat... YOU OWN NOTHING and stop acting like you do own it. Oh and all you Das
Boot Modders, who gave you permission to distribute their media likenesses free or not??"
On the 26th he continues, but not to plead his case, but merely initiate personal attacks against members of Ubisoft's
SH3 community.
Trombke as deathping wrote:
"What personal attack?
I find it curious that someone comes into a German simulator for Uboots waving an israeli flag!
As for the Christian being a reservist in the israeli military. Well Wulfmann, that's really kind've true isn't it? Very
interesting that you would actually admit that.
Further, Christians are not any more above reproach than nonchristians or jews but that's a minor point in this matter.
Why don't you inhale some helium balloons or something and go hang out at subsim whilst making a blacker smoke or
something.
But before you all go, why don't you all apologize to Steffen Trombke for YOUR insults.
Talentless losers of subsim, shame on you...."

end of quote.

Seems you already did have contact to the boss of X-1 soft ... it is all well archived in the 'net.

Greetings,
Catfish

Hello,
sorry, i posted this before i read your answer. Surely no reason to further discuss that, but this guy is the boss of X-1. There are other links to Combatplanes and so on ... let us just stop here.
Greetings,
Catfish

Hmm... I see what you mean Catfish, now you posted that I do remember it now, I must admit I had forgotten.
You are right of course that isn't the right way to encourage business, now I've changed my mind again, shame really I would have liked a nice add-on, I think I'll stick with the mods. :up:

If X1 was really a legit company, then this Trombke fellow should take it into his own hands to address the unhappy community members. Apparently, he is not diplomatic enough, because everytime he appears on these boards, he gets flamed to oblivion.

Where are his leadership skills? Apparently, Trombke lacks where it matters most: diplomacy and social aptitude... TROMBKE = A LEADER WHO CANNOT LEAD.

So is it really surprising that X1 Seawolves is down the toilet?


No, not surprising at all... :down:

:rotfl:
Catfish, I did not associate with that person and in fact I rebuked him in the strongest terms and he was attacking me in that post because I lashed out at him for condescendingly belittling a well respected member of our community (where were you?)

How in the world do you get me associating with that person in anything but an adversarial state?

I asked the person I deal with at X-1 who that person was and they said they did not know and called him a trouble maker.

You say it was Trombke, I simply do not know but he certainly had no doubt about my attitude toward him for his unwarranted comments and if you read your own post you can see he reacted to me with contempt.

What point are you making again
:hmm: :rotfl:
It seems like your post is opposite your point!!

Wulfmann

IMHO, this discussion hurts SH3 and the modding community.

Today I have happened to come across the list of files in Seawolves and I see files from my mods Additional Merchants (includes NKGN and NPTR ships) and Multi-skin ships (includes multi-skinned DDs and trawler). If it is true I did not give permission to use them for Seawolves and commercial purposes.

They are not the same ships.
I know this because I have those Seawolves ships and I have yours.
I have emailed them asking they change the name of their ships so both can be used but with so many things happening I forgot to follow up.
Like I said, they are different models. The KGN is either the small tanker or small merchant converted to be a new cargo and they have added about 5 troopship versions. I will try and remember to switch to 92% so I can post screens of those ships
Like you did, they added a convenient letter to differentiate the new ship and because they do not have yours were unaware it had been used.
Hopefully they will change it so I can add your versions to my modded Seawolves. This would allow any unit type 102 (ex) to spawn.
Every time I get a new RND.mis file I spend about 8 hours converting all the escorts to 3 and 4 and remove class names so they vary each time they spawn as well as double the number of escorts in all the convoys.
Hmmmm? :hmm: This could explain why 50% of my first career missions end in death! :rotfl: Actually that is 1943 NA not the Med which I am on mission 9 out of Salamis 1941 but did come back at 25% hull integraty

Wulfmann

I mean Seawolves released 5 months ago. They have only two new merchants added and those have exact names as NKGN and NPTR from Additional Merchants. It seems to be too much for coincidence. I very much doubt they did not know about these merchants and their names because I was specifically asked about these merchants by X1 software people. Furthermore, the number and type of multi-skinned DDs are exactly the same as in my first version of the Multi-Skin ships mod. Even the number of skins for these DDs are the same as in the first version of the Multi-Skin ships mod. Anyhow, if I have an opportunity to examine the content of the files I can tell for sure what they are.