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Aktungbby 05-13-22 06:12 PM

If we can hold out....till 2031!
 
RUGBY BETS IT CAN CONQUER AMERIKA WITH ITS WORLD CUP
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Originally Posted by 2daze WSJ
In 1920 and 1924, the U.S. won Olympic gold medals in rugby—and then the sport largely receded from view there. Now rugby is about to complete its centurylong climb back to the American spotlight.
At a meeting in Dublin on Thursday, the World Rugby Council is expected to award the 2031 men’s Rugby World Cup and the 2033 women’s World Cup to the U.S.
The move is a gamble that a premier global sporting event can stage its biggest event in a place where its audience and participation are modest—and the national federation, Rugby USA, was in bankruptcy proceedings as recently as 2020.
Rugby types like to say their quadrennial showpiece ranks behind only soccer’s FIFA World Cup and the Summer Olympics in global sporting interest. An EY report on the 2019 tournament, held over 44 days in prepandemic Japan, claimed the event added 2.3 billion pounds to the host nation’s GDP and attracted 242,000 international fans who stayed an average 17 days. Rugby USA projects 3.1 million tickets could be sold for a 48-match men’s World Cup. Two dozen cities have pledged to host matches in either or both 2031 and 2033. President Biden wrote a letter of support to World Rugby in early April.
Rugby’s presence in the U.S. remains small, though. USA Rugby says there are now about 109,000 registered high school, college and adult players, but half that number drop out annually. The pro Major League Rugby (MLR) is in its fifth year and averages about 3,000 spectators per match for its 13 teams, which operate under a $500,000 annual salary cap.
USA Rugby officials forecast the events will cost $500-600 million to host, and World Rugby chief executive Alan Gilpin says the global governing body will seek private capital sources to help fund the sport’s growth in the U.S. during the next decade and hopefully beyond.
The awarding of the tournament to the U.S. is the culmination of an unlikely quest by the country’s rugby enthusiasts, who put time, effort and their own money into securing.
Darren Gardner, a native of Australia who is an employment relations partner for a San Francisco firm, has spent 22 years in the U.S. spreading the rugby union gospel, coaching junior teams and more recently as part-owner of MLR’s San Diego Legion. His fellow devotees include real estate financier Ryan Patterson, also a one-time junior rugby coach whose investments include a San Diego restaurant group.
Another enthusiast is fitness group F45 Holdings chief executive Adam Gilchrirst, an Austin, Tex-based Australian who sells his own beer and cocktail drinks on the sidelines at home games of his MLR teams, the LA Giltinis and Austin Gilgronis. (The team names combine Gilchrists’ surname with a Martini and a Negroni, respectively.)
The trio lead a group that has quietly bankrolled the four-year effort to win the World Cup bid, paying for feasibility studies and consultancy work.
“The U.S. rugby community is as passionate as any in the world and I believe that hosting RWC will transform the sport of rugby in the U.S.,” says Gardner.
Yet there is still a feeling of incredulity in local rugby circles that the showpiece of their sport is about to be awarded to the U.S.
“There’s an almost an ‘I can’t believe this is going to happen’ feeling still going on within the rugby community and there’s also an element of ‘I don’t know if they know what’s coming either’ — it’s going to be huge,” says Rugby USA chief executive Ross Young.
Gilpin says the sport could easily keep rotating its World Cup between established rugby nations like England; 2023 host France; New Zealand, home of the fearsome All Blacks; and South Africa. But that would not fulfill its mandate to grow the sport internationally.
“If we’re going to create the kind of growth — audience growth, revenue growth and ultimately hopefully participation growth — it is through these events in the U.S.,” says Gilpin.
The U.S. has since gained “preferred candidate” status for 2031 and 2033 (Australia has it for 2027 and 2029 for the women’s event) and has been in “targeted dialogue” with World Rugby.
“It means we are not talking to anyone else,” World Rugby’s Gilpin tells the Journal.
There is still considerable risk. USA Rugby entered into, and later exited, chapter 11 bankruptcy in 2020. The nonprofit cited “existing financial challenges” that were accelerated by Covid, including a $40 million lawsuit brought by event promoter United World Sports over the loss of a contract to run the annual USA 7s tournament. The lawsuit was later settled for $200,000 and USA Rugby then exited chapter 11, with World Rugby pledging support. Under a new operating model, World Rugby will take on more of the financial burden, and hopefully the reward, of hosting all future World Cups.
Private-equity firms CVC Capital Partners and Silver Lake have invested in rugby, paying $509 million for a 14.3% stake in the annual men’s Six Nations tournament and a still to be determined share of the $2.34 billion New Zealand Rugby commercial venture respectively.
“There are lots of parties interested in investing in sport more broadly, and certainly lots of parties that are interested in investing in rugby. Can we work with some of those parties to drive some parts of that plan more effectively? The answer is probably yes.”
Growth plans include more matches for U.S. national teams in a regular calendar, a target of 450,000 players by 2031, a Pan-Pacific competition for the women’s team and NCAA recognition for women’s’ rugby.
Killebrew says expansion of MLR, which for now features veterans from around the world and young local players, is in the works and envisages the possibility of a 28-team competition by 2031. “We look for $25 million from potential owners, in expansion fees and working capital, and interest has certainly grown with the upcoming World Cup announcement.”
All that is left now for a better performance on the field. The women’s side is ranked sixth and will play in their World Cup in New Zealand in September.
Meanwhile, the men’s USA Eagles have struggled through their qualifying section for 2023, with many of its European-based players not released by their clubs, and face Chile in a two-match repechage in July to win through to France next year.
USA Rugby’s Young winces at the topic, but says the Eagles should get through. “Touch wood it’s a better time of year to be playing the games, given the European season will be over.”

Weeeeel....here''s hopin':hmmm: https://www.wsj.com/articles/rugby-w...rts_major_pos7

Commander Wallace 05-13-22 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Von Due (Post 2798893)
Just a minor detour from the topic. My previous post, just in case anyond wondered, was in jest, in my own peculiar way. Not that I expect attention was paid but I just like to clear it up.

That being said. I still say calcio storico is where it's at... :p


It was all good and in a thread like this, we take things " with a grain of salt."

Like everyone else, I thought the Rugby stories were humorous and interesting which is what we need here and frequently get, in Subsim. :yep:


Don't sweat the small stuff. Everyone here gets " needled " from time to time. :)

Eisenwurst 05-21-22 04:16 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LSEzsMzhDd0

Used to play it in high school. Rugby League not Union. Got a lovely broken nose. Character building. :)

Aktungbby 12-17-22 12:54 AM

Rules: wear your mouth-guard; in-scrum ear-cover(Cauliflowering)& run like hell!
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ssV4AsTA_s (pssst) it helps to be able to run the 40(yards) in 4.6 seconds!:Kaleun_Los: It'll save yer scrawny 145 lb ass over 7 years! :k_confused:

Ostfriese 12-17-22 01:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Aktungbby (Post 2808544)
RUGBY BETS IT CAN CONQUER AMERIKA WITH ITS WORLD CUPWeeeeel....here''s hopin':hmmm: https://www.wsj.com/articles/rugby-w...rts_major_pos7


Succeed where soccer failed :up: (OK, it's a low bar, but still...)

Eichhörnchen 12-18-22 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Commander Wallace (Post 2798366)
Which one is you, Vinnie ?

Back row far left

https://i.imgur.com/OwLJ9eH.jpg

This was my school rugger strip (well the top half anyway - black shorts, black & gold socks)

Commander Wallace 12-18-22 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Eichhörnchen (Post 2843076)
Back row far left

https://i.imgur.com/OwLJ9eH.jpg

This was my school rugger strip (well the top half anyway - black shorts, black & gold socks)


The only time my shirts / tops were that clean was when they were new. :D The sport is rough on shirts and everything else including knees and ankles. :yep:

Eichhörnchen 12-18-22 01:33 PM

^ My poor mother - mine always got filthy (that's a brand new one in the photo). I don't know what happened to mine - it would probably still fit me. Moira would like it, too :D

Aktungbby 12-18-22 02:22 PM

Half century: faded glory
 
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Originally Posted by Eichhörnchen (Post 2843076)
Back row far left

https://i.imgur.com/OwLJ9eH.jpg

This was my school rugger strip (well the top half anyway - black shorts, black & gold socks)

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Originally Posted by Commander Wallace (Post 2843078)
The only time my shirts / tops were that clean was when they were new. :D The sport is rough on shirts and everything else including knees and ankles. :yep:

:yeah:that's exactly identical to what I wore in college for four years and in the nets when goal tending! I learned to sew just keeping it repaired!:O: I just dredged it out of my 50+ year-old old sport kit-bag: mouth guard, wrestling (scrummie ear protection) headgear; all "good to go!" :k_confused: and the old jersy & socks look it!:timeout: I knew to save it for a thread like this!!:hmph::arrgh!::shucks:https://www.subsim.com/radioroom/pic...ictureid=12909

Jimbuna 12-18-22 03:16 PM

Rugby...a sport played mostly by men with funny shaped balls.

Commander Wallace 12-18-22 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Jimbuna (Post 2843113)
Rugby...a sport played mostly by men with funny shaped balls.

Before or after they are done playing ? :k_rofl:


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Originally Posted by Aktungbby (Post 2843092)
:yeah:that's exactly identical to what I wore in college for four years and in the nets when goal tending! I learned to sew just keeping it repaired!:O: I just dredged it out of my 50+ year-old old sport kit-bag: mouth guard, wrestling (scrummie ear protection) headgear; all "good to go!" :k_confused: and the old jersy & socks look it!:timeout: I knew to save it for a thread like this!!:hmph::arrgh!::shucks:https://www.subsim.com/radioroom/pic...ictureid=12909




I think I still have my gear. I washed it and packed it away with sports stuff. I can still fit into and wear my football letter-men jacket. :Kaleun_Thumbs_Up:


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Originally Posted by Eichhörnchen (Post 2843080)
^ My poor mother - mine always got filthy (that's a brand new one in the photo). I don't know what happened to mine - it would probably still fit me. Moira would like it, too :D


We had to wash our own gear when we were young and playing Hockey and Football. Later, in High School, The school had a contract with a cleaning company, like most High Schools, to clean our uniforms.

Aktungbby 12-25-22 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Eichhörnchen (Post 2843076)
Back row far left

https://i.imgur.com/OwLJ9eH.jpg

This was my school rugger strip (well the top half anyway - black shorts, black & gold socks)

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Originally Posted by Aktungbby (Post 2843092)
:yeah:that's exactly identical to what I wore in college for four years and in the nets when goal tending! I learned to sew just keeping it repaired!:O: I just dredged it out of my 50+ year-old old sport kit-bag: mouth guard, wrestling (scrummie ear protection) headgear; all "good to go!" :k_confused: and the old jersy & socks look it!:timeout: I knew to save it for a thread like this!!:hmph::arrgh!::shucks:https://www.subsim.com/radioroom/pic...ictureid=12909

https://i.imgur.com/QwYV7oq.jpg:O::yep: all ruggers are a tad squirrilly no IMHO 'bout it!:yep:

Eichhörnchen 12-27-22 09:46 AM

Mine's long gone - I also had the socks to match, plus black shorts

Aktungbby 01-27-23 01:28 PM

Serious cross training
 
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Originally Posted by me
punts from the soccer goal crease was cross-training for my punting the rugby ball...The other cross-training was wrestling takedowns as Rugby tackles; utterly indispensable for a small hooker vs a 280 lb prop or second row behemouth!!

The upcoming game for the NFC:San Francisco 49ers vs Philadelphia Eagles (at Philly) promises to be interesting: https://www.wsj.com/articles/jordan-...ip-11674701653
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The biggest player in this NFC Championship game is a 6-foot-8, 365-pound lineman who grew up playing the wrong sport. Long before he was dwarfing the NFL’s most menacing pass rushers, Jordan Mailata’s real dream was to play professional rugby league in his native Australia.
The only problem was that even rugby league thought he was too huge.
So on a long shot, Mailata flew to the U.S. ready to give up his rugby league future and learn a sport where he might never carry the ball again. Five years later and nearly 10,000 miles from home, he’s Philadelphia’s favorite Sydneysider, because the man from Down Under is the one keeping quarterback Jalen Hurts right side up.
“He’s not a rugby league boy anymore,” said Jamie Eid, Mailata’s youth coach in Australia. “He looks like an NFL player now.”...Once the Eagles took Mailata, though, his roster spot was far from guaranteed. That’s true of all seventh-round picks, but this one was a complete novice at football with no experience from college or even high school. But oddly enough, he didn’t consider this to be a disadvantage. In fact, he thought it helped him as he mastered the craft of blocking.

“It was just easier to pick up everything like a clean slate,” Mailata said before the start of the 2018 season. “I didn’t have any bad habits.”

Still, the learning curve was steep. The dense NFL playbooks may as well have been written in Cyrillic. When he played all four quarters of a preseason game that rookie year, he was flagged for two false start penalties. He then suffered season-ending injuries during his first and second years in the league before ever stepping on the field for a regular season game.

His progress since then has been remarkable. He took over for an injured starter in 2020, beat out a first-round pick for the full-time job in 2021 and is now widely considered among the best tackles in the league. The Eagles didn’t hesitate last year to lock him into a lavish contract—one that pays him more than 10 times the salary of the NRL’s biggest stars. That’s why his performance will go a long way toward determining whether or not the Eagles advance to their fourth Super Bowl this Sunday.
https://images.wsj.net/im-709925?wid...05861664712778 Oddly, my former security guard partner, a huge Samoan, who had my back in some of the worst Federal sites in San Francisco ca: 2000, had a cousin, Jessie Sapulo, who played front-line for the 49ers: 15 NFL seasons, winning four Super Bowls with the 49ers and earning two trips to the Pro Bowl. He did this despite a torn aortic heart valve, a dangerous condition that left him short of breath at times. All Samoans have a knowledge of Rugby and football and are leaving their mark on both. http://images.thepostgame.com/assets...2069352_BP.jpg http://images.thepostgame.com/assets...1875052_BP.jpg https://cdn11.bigcommerce.com/s-b247...209133.jpg?c=2<seen in practice at front line for the 49ers! When I say "Behemouth"...I'm probably thinking Samoan!:timeout:

Aktungbby 03-13-23 02:26 AM

This was fun.... half a century ago!
 
https://icdn.juvefc.com/wp-content/u...3/red-card.jpgHere's how these get earned & jaws get broken!!??:timeout:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WP5Y1gz2Hq0 https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/..._AC_SX679_.jpg< NO Try??!! :timeout:Yoda never played Rugby!:O:

Aktungbby 08-11-23 07:05 PM

Of course I'd stay out of a beluga's ruck since my head would most certainly be lower than my hips!??https://c.ndtvimg.com/2019-11/kbiv2c...ovember_19.jpg
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A ruck is formed when at least one player from each team are in contact, on their feet and over the ball which is on the ground. Players involved in all stages of the ruck must have their heads and shoulders no lower than their hips.:know:https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/i...9Nu5bOx3ntxX&s

Aktungbby 09-10-23 11:24 AM

The 'apogee' of considered Rugby!
 
...having a blast watching the 2023 World Cup on TV Scotland vs South Africa...South Africa SpringBoks R up 3-0 on the 'Bravehearts' at the moment...as a Kincaid married to a McClean, I'm for the 'auld sod' myself!:shucks:

Aktungbby 09-10-23 11:43 AM

...Scotland just scored on a dead-center penalty kick: the score stands at 'Boks-6 -Thistle-3...a tedious back and forth even physical game with no breakaway steller play as yet...

Aktungbby 09-10-23 12:06 PM

at 46:19 Boks R in for try: now up 11-3...EDIT: AND in again for follow-on try at 53:26 and after-kick; score: 18-3; as the stellar breakaway play commences. The Bravehearts'll have a tough comeback; but both sides are still playing stalwart gentlemanly Rugby in a packed-house Marseille stadium!

Aktungbby 09-10-23 12:49 PM

Game over: 18-3
 
The Boks outmuscle'd the speedier Scots; and are playing in 30⁰ C (86⁰F)humid -heat which tends to favor the Boks. Having 'out-stellar'd' the Thistle, the game is back to to&fro play with time called. Congrats to South Africa. One minor squabble notwithstanding, both sides played courteously and with respect. Both captains hugged afterwards and the umpire was excellent: I didn't envy him his job in front of the entire planet!


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