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Hottentot 11-22-12 03:11 AM

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Originally Posted by kranz (Post 1964242)
they ain't that stupid. :)
article 55 of the 18.12.1998 act:
-who questions genocide in public and against facts (...)
is liable to a fine or up to 3 years in prison (I know that the translation sucks but I don't have enough time to find the proper law terminology, but i hope u get the idea).

I'm speechless.

MH 11-22-12 04:32 AM

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Originally Posted by kranz (Post 1964242)


Would you be more satisfied if the figure was bigger than 6 million? :doh:

wow...you are so pathetic....

Dowly 11-22-12 06:13 AM

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Originally Posted by kranz (Post 1964242)
they ain't that stupid. :)
article 55 of the 18.12.1998 act:
-who questions genocide in public and against facts (...)
is liable to a fine or up to 3 years in prison (I know that the translation sucks but I don't have enough time to find the proper law terminology, but i hope u get the idea).

How exactly does that act prevent you (or anyone else) from researching the
data available and coming up with new estimate(s)? :hmmm:

kranz 11-22-12 09:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Dowly (Post 1964277)
How exactly does that act prevent you (or anyone else) from researching the
data available and coming up with new estimate(s)? :hmmm:

It does not.
But can the approximation of 5.2-6 million be regarded as a fact?

kranz 11-22-12 09:52 AM

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Originally Posted by MH (Post 1964254)
wow...you are so pathetic....

I mustn't answer to such provocations since I'm on probation. :03:

Oberon 11-22-12 10:06 AM

"Der Krieg? Ich kann das nicht so schrecklich finden! Der Tod eines Menschen: das ist eine Katastrophe. Hunderttausend Tote: das ist eine Statistik!"

Hottentot 11-22-12 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by kranz (Post 1964374)
But can the approximation of 5.2-6 million be regarded as a fact?

Unless you or someone else proves it wrong, it's as much of a fact as we can get. This should be self evident for anyone with university education, heck, anyone with any education at all. These facts can and will be questioned, but "it's propaganda" is no questioning. It's sticking your fingers in your ears and shouting "LAALAALAA". It's no different from calling the world flat because you personally believe it's flat and then insisting that calling the world round is propaganda.

MH 11-22-12 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by kranz (Post 1964376)
I mustn't answer to such provocations since I'm on probation. :03:

Whatever...i dont really care.
Now lets pretend that it is inteligent conversation...carry on...

Gerald 11-22-12 10:45 AM

^ Hi MH! How are things?

kranz 11-22-12 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Hottentot (Post 1964384)
This should be self evident for anyone with university education, heck, anyone with any education at all.

Ah, yes - so obvious.
If it's so simple, let's confront your definition of a fact with the wiki definition of a fact:
'A fact is something that has really occurred or is actually the case.'

So, which has really occurred - 5.2? or 6? or 5.5?
For me, the approximation 5.2-6 is only a speculation (OALD: the act of forming opinions about what has happened or what might happen without knowing all the facts).

The problem begins when a law forces you to take speculations for facts and punishes you for not complying.

Hottentot 11-22-12 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by kranz (Post 1964477)
If it's so simple, let's confront your definition of a fact with the wiki definition of a fact:
'A fact is something that has really occurred or is actually the case.'

So we are to suppose that Julius Caesar never lived? How can you know for sure?

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The problem begins when a law forces you to take speculations for facts and punishes you for not complying.
Law forces no such thing.

Tribesman 11-22-12 02:21 PM

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The problem begins when a law forces you to take speculations for facts and punishes you for not complying.
Yet that law doesn't exist, the law you are on about says you cannot challenge the facts of nazi crimes as documented in the nazi governments own papers.

Hottentot 11-22-12 02:31 PM

Have you stopped beating your wife, Tribesman?

Tribesman 11-22-12 02:36 PM

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Have you stopped beating your wife, Tribesman?
No:D

You can see why kranz has a problem with this law though can't you.
It means that as well as being silly when he claims certain things didn't happen he is breaking the law because the Germans documented what they did

Hottentot 11-22-12 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Tribesman (Post 1964507)
You can see why kranz has a problem with this law though can't you.

I personally can't see how it relates to anything in a first place. What law is that? A one set by the Illuminati which is going to murder you for a thought crime, no matter where you are?

Ignoring for a moment that the argument is silly, does that law prevent a foreign researcher from studying the documents and publishing in a foreign country? What are they going to do about it? Read and censor each and every note taken by all the researchers in the world (for such a popular subject there should be many) and rip them apart if they aren't happy with it?

Dowly 11-22-12 02:49 PM

^ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laws_ag..._denial#Poland

Hottentot 11-22-12 02:55 PM

So I repeat the question: I go there, research, take notes, come back to Finland and in a year or two publish a book where I outright deny that Holocaust ever happened (after which I will hopefully apply to the nearest mental asylum.) What are they going to do? Come here and arrest me?

Gerald 11-22-12 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Hottentot (Post 1964514)
So I repeat the question: I go there, research, take notes, come back to Finland and in a year or two publish a book where I outright deny that Holocaust ever happened (after which I will hopefully apply to the nearest mental asylum.) What are they going to do? Come here and arrest me?

No, it will probably be difficult according to current Finnish law to put you behind bars, you will not get many followers who agree with you in what you say, that denial.

Dowly 11-22-12 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Hottentot (Post 1964514)
What are they going to do?

Absolutely nothing.


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