AngusJS...
First off - just because its on the internet doesn't make it true.....

The blog you quoted (and yes - the whole site is a blog - ideas and not necessarily facts) - is full of inaccuracies. I will point a couple of them out....

Insurance - NC requires minimum coverage - liability, personal injury and property damage minimums. Nothing in that stipulates it only includes "family members" only are covered. In fact, that would defeat the purpose. You reposted a complete fabrication and totally fell for it simply because it fit your agenda....

Civil Contracts - there is a HUGE difference between a civil contract between two parties for estate and wills, etc and one in which a murder is contracted. If you can't see that - as mookie says - thats just pants on head crazy! There is no reason a judge would overturn that IF the proper procedure has been followed. Wills and estate probates are regularly contested - regardless of whether people are married or not. The family doesn't approve of the spouse/bf/gf so they try to cut her/him out. So somehow because this is going to occur without "marriage" being part of it for a same sex couple is irrelevant. Your "source" has no knowledge of probate court in the state he is pontificating about - and is flat wrong. Its nothing but fearmongering.

Power of attorney - Again pure poppycock. As long as its registered and validly executed, a judge has to have a serious justification to overturn it. As for blood relatives having a "valid" complaint to overturn it - they have a right to try either way - regardless of if its a same sex couple, an unmarried couple, or even a married couple. Terry Shiavo is a perfect example - relatives have a right to input - regardless - and they were married! To claim this somehow weakens the right of anyone to get a power of attorney is simply untrue. Just like the earlier claims.

Seriously - its ok to not like the outcome - but posting lies about it won't do your cause any good.

I don't know, I can't and won't speak for everyone else. I, myself don't care what people do or don't do. It's not my place to judge. I was stating that if I was to say a gay slur then I would be condemned for hating gays and a gay-basher. The same people who would have me arrested for hate crimes have zero qualms for bashing people of different opinions example redneck, bigot.etc.

No one had said it. To me it's a really lame analogy but it seems to be popular in the pro gay community. I think that if both sides weren't so defensive and just talked they may be surprised to find out they have more in common then not.

As for if I want to say anything about myself? I'll show you my 4x4 if you show me yours.;)

No, I think I explained myself pretty clearly. My biggest pet peeve in the world is a hypocrite. I live by a rule of Do what you say, Say what you do. If gays want me to respect them and their lifestyle and keep telling me to be open minded then they need to stop with the bashing themselves, it's counterproductive.

Do you think I'm going to sympathize with someone who just called me a inbred redneck? As I said before "I think both sides need to stop with the insults, mudslinging and pointing fingers saying the other is closed minded"

As one person said somewhere: Gays should be allowed to marry too, let them be as miserable as the rest of us.:har:

What is GT? I googled it and I'm assuming your not saying welcome to Goodyear Tires or Guatemala.

GT = General Topics. That would be this sub-forum.

Ahh ok, thanks.

Would you? It would all depend on the context it was used in and the intent.
I call people poofs, has anyone condemned me as as hating gays, has anyone suggested I get arrested for calling someone a screaming queen?


I will say it, doesn't that ranting pastor from NC talking about the amendment I linked to remind you of Ted Haggard? do you think he is really just another brownhatter with issues?
And that is not "pro gay" its simply "not anti gay".

Well put:up:

Interesting poll on support for same-sex unions here:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/pollin...CBjT_page.html#

you can break down the results and it shows the opposition to same-sex unions is greater among individuals who fit the following criterias:

-Republicans
-conservatives
-older
-less educated
-lower income
-white evangelical protestants
-support Tea Party

was'nt that the typical profile for members of the KKK? :hmmm:

I dunno does the other profile fit for members of the Black Panthers? :hmmm:

And what does this partisan run poll say about those who don't care if gays can form same sex unions but feel it should be called something besides marriage?

Do you have your own partisan poll that shows substantially different results?

The big takeaway for me was the correlation between support and age, young people 18-39 show very strong support for same-sex unions, so it is only a matter of time before this issue is resolved once and for all.

That's my thinking on it too. The inexorable march of progress will leave the bigots behind when they die off.

http://blogs.discovery.com/.a/6a00d8...2ab5970c-450wi
Marriage is between man and dog. It's in the holy book of canines.

So when he said his wife is a bitch......

Considering the women I know, this man is a genius :dead:

The polls that I look at are the only ones that count. Election results. Nearly every time the question has been put to the voters in an election referendum it's been defeated. I'd say that's pretty substantial, wouldn't you?

And you ignored my question. What about people (like me) who don't care if gays form a permanent union but just feel it should be called something other than "marriage"? That seems to be the major objection here yet it seems not to have been addressed in your poll.

Well that's assuming that the poll is accurate. Given that it was run by the Washington Post and ABC it's a pretty safe bet that they had a preferred result already in mind when they conducted it. If a Fox news poll comes up with different results are you going to take it as gospel as well?

You are also assuming that these young peoples opinions will not "evolve" as our Presidents opinion recently did.

What happens after our generation dies off is not our concern. The way it's going I don't see this country lasting much longer anyways. In any case why not stop with the personal insults? Are they really that necessary to make your point?

If someone doesn't like being called a bigot, then they shouldn't engage in bigotry.

Then maybe we should start calling you a bigot for your intolerance toward religion, conservatives, Republicans and several other groups that you have taken pains to insult here over the years.

That's the problem with name calling. It eliminates any chance of a peaceful discourse. It certainly does not make your arguments any more valid.

So you admit your poll was partisan - thus negating any claim to its validity. At least your honest....

Again - your showing your total ignorance of fact. College kids - even in the WNC liberal area of Asheville - UNCA students - broke even on this. Same goes for other areas of the state. Every breakdown politically showed that this was NOT "very strongly" supported by college kids. Keep repeating your mantra if it helps you believe it - but the facts don't bear it out. Do some research before you start making claims - and then back them up with the research from something other than a "partisan poll".

Thanks mookie - you just called me (and many others) a bigot. And whats worse - your doing it on merely the basis of your own viewpoint. This is why there can't be a decent discussion - when the left doesn't get its way, when it can't win a factual arguement - it resorts to namecalling. Thats sad - on so many levels.

You might also want to tone it done since personal insults are against the rules here as well...

Then again - what do rules matter if they don't go along with what you lefties want?

My 2 cents worth on the subject of gay marriage in general:

- The argument of violating the sanctity of marriage is a bunch of crap. Straight people have been violating the sanctity of marriage for hundreds of years and continue to do so this day.

- I really don't care what Gay people want to do with their lives. It's their business, not mine. I'm not gonna sit here and pretend to tell them what they can or can't do in their pursuit of happiness, all i ask is they leave me out of their business.

- I'm not sure if its possible to separate marriage from religion. Religion tends to frown on homosexuality, and a marriage ceremony is typically conducted by a priest, pastor, bishop, etc etc. So gays may have to settle for a civil union of some sort by a judge or some legal official to gain the benefits of marriage, without the religious mumbo jumbo.

Sometimes Mookie I think you will accept anything.:hmmm: Bigotry will forever be a part of society.

Do your accept all comers and situations such as the gay marriage question? Do you unequivocal accept everything?

What religion someone subscribes to doesn't bother me in the least, so long as they keep it out of government. Being bigoted against a religion would require me to have an opinion on it, which I don't.

Being opposed to a political ideology makes you a bigot now? I guess you could lump everyone in GT into that one then.

I have no respect for anyone who would deny human rights to another and I don't care to hear their justification for it. I don't need to validate my arguments because our innate nature as human beings and our inalienable rights already have done that.

What's sad on so many levels is that people are still trying to justify denying people equal rights, and then getting offended when someone calls them out on it. Denying someone rights makes you a bigot. Discrimination makes you a bigot. If you don't want to be called one, don't discriminate against other people.

You're acting like I'm baselessly namecalling and telling people they're poopyheads or something. A bigot is a specific label for people who engage in specific behavior.


I accept that if two consenting adults want to enter into a marriage contract with each other, their genders shouldn't matter. Who am I to tell someone that their love isn't as valid as someone else's?

According to the definition of bigotry that I read it does. That's the problem with personal insults. They usually can be applied in ways you may not personally agree with.