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Sailor Steve 05-07-12 09:44 PM

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Originally Posted by mookiemookie (Post 1880979)
Fascist!

Radical!

JU_88 05-08-12 04:23 AM

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Originally Posted by August (Post 1880256)
well no he can't win because he's a bit of a nut with some radical social positions. Banning abortion for one thing. Legalizing drugs, global warming hoaxer.

If he made it to the general election the Dems would eat him for breakfast.

If anything the opposite is true.
In a debate ron Paul would cut though Obamas rhetoric and flip flop record - like hot knife through butter.
Ron Paul has been consistant for over 30 years, the Dems have got nothing on him. and he polls a damn sight better than Mitt Romney.

His stance on Abortion is not to ban it - but lets the sates decide reather than the frederal government.
Im pretty sure he is not a 'global warming hoaxer' like Al gore but ill look it up to be sure.
Yes he wants to legalise drugs which is understandably controversial -but what about his other polices?, like restoring the constitution, repealing the Patriot act and the NDA act?
Auditing the Fed, scrapping income tax & IRS, cutting overseas spending and abandoing the wars and nation buidling that are breaking Americas back right now?
How about scrapping obamacare?

Are Pauls ideas on small government and sound money (as the founding fathers intended) really all that nuts? or has America (like the UK and Europe) simply lost her way with massive overspending and over expanding government?

Anyway RP already won the following:

Washington
Nevada
Maine
Minnesota
Iowa
Massachusetts
Louisiana
Alaska

The 'projected' delegate counts from the media are garbage. whats is it again? 80 somthing for Ron paul and 800+ from Romney? I think thats about to change. Im sure Romney still leads but not by such a huge margin.

The likes of CNN were chanting 'Paul can't win' from the get go.
And now? hmmmmm silence, not even flies buzz!

Watch this :)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JyQ60vXHVr4

August 05-08-12 07:31 AM

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Originally Posted by JU_88 (Post 1881042)
His stance on Abortion is not to ban it - but lets the sates decide reather than the frederal government.

That means overturning Rove v Wade, a Supreme Court Decision BTW. That would be taking away what has become an established Constitutional freedom and that's just not gonna happen. It will however mobilize women against him in such numbers that he'd loose bigger than Jimmy Carter did in 1980.

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The 'projected' delegate counts from the media are garbage.
8 states out of 50 is an extremely poor showing JU no matter how you slice it. Paul is not going to get the GoP nomination. now he may run as an independant (although currently he claims he won't) but the most he could accomplish is give the Obama the election by dividing the opposition.

JU_88 05-08-12 08:00 AM

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Originally Posted by August (Post 1881090)
That means overturning Rove v Wade, a Supreme Court Decision BTW. That would be taking away what has become an established Constitutional freedom and that's just not gonna happen. It will however mobilize women against him in such numbers that he'd loose bigger than Jimmy Carter did in 1980.



8 states out of 50 is an extremely poor showing JU no matter how you slice it. Paul is not going to get the GoP nomination. now he may run as an independant (although currently he claims he won't) but the most he could accomplish is give the Obama the election by dividing the opposition.

Yeah but not all 50 states delegates are counted up yet - not even half, you are right though that RP supporters will not back Romeny or Obama, not sure how it will work out though, but I guess we wait to see what happens in Tampa, :)

JU_88 05-08-12 08:01 AM

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Originally Posted by August (Post 1881090)
That means overturning Rove v Wade, a Supreme Court Decision BTW. That would be taking away what has become an established Constitutional freedom and that's just not gonna happen. It will however mobilize women against him in such numbers that he'd loose bigger than Jimmy Carter did in 1980.



8 states out of 50 is an extremely poor showing JU no matter how you slice it. Paul is not going to get the GoP nomination. now he may run as an independant (although currently he claims he won't) but the most he could accomplish is give the Obama the election by dividing the opposition.

Yeah but not all 50 states delegates are counted up yet - not even half, you are right though that RP supporters will not back Romeny or Obama, not sure how it will work out though, but I guess we wait to see what happens in Tampa, :)

vienna 05-08-12 12:43 PM

The sig seems self-descriptive of yourself, JU... :DL

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"We all, at some point, deny the truth in favor of a lie that feels better."
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JU_88 05-08-12 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by vienna (Post 1881205)
The sig seems self-descriptive of yourself, JU... :DL

...

Yes it is and im not ashamed to admit it :) I am part of the 'we all' too, I lie to myself everytime I tell myself its all gonna be ok, when i know that if history is anything to go by, we are likley heading for another great depression and possibly another great war.
-although you could be bold enough to explain to me where you are coming from on this?

Perhaps I should change my sig quote to: "We can ignore reality but we cannot ignore the consequences of reality".

In regards to the Doc, i know its a long shot for the guy - but one can hope, It would be nice to see the USA lead by someone who cares a about the core values the nation was founded on, has a fair bit of intellegence and has a spine to boot.

AVGWarhawk 05-08-12 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by JU_88 (Post 1881238)

It would be nice to see the USA lead by someone who cares a about the core values the nation was founded on, has a fair bit of intellegence and has a spine to boot.

:yeah:

JU_88 05-08-12 04:11 PM

According to RT. Paul has won more than 8 states (where he has the majority of delegates).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MaZI-...eature=related not too sure about the accuracy of this though.

Platapus 05-08-12 06:54 PM

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Originally Posted by JU_88 (Post 1881238)
It would be nice to see the USA lead by someone who cares a about the core values the nation was founded on, has a fair bit of intellegence and has a spine to boot.

And what would those core values be?

Killing Indians and taking their land?
No rights for women
Importing and owning slaves
Child labor
General Labor exploitation

Those traditional American values? :D

Oberon 05-08-12 07:38 PM

I thought we were the ones who killed the Indians and took their land...


Oh, THOSE Indians...


My bad...

TLAM Strike 05-08-12 08:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Oberon (Post 1881395)
I thought we were the ones who killed the Indians and took their land...


Oh, THOSE Indians...


My bad...

No the Brits killed both kinds of Indians and stole their land, they just held to some of the land longer.

Oberon 05-08-12 08:53 PM

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Originally Posted by TLAM Strike (Post 1881416)
No the Brits killed both kinds of Indians and stole their land, they just held to some of the land longer.

See, now that's the type of equal opportunities empire we were! :yep:

Platapus 05-09-12 07:49 PM

It was the Native American's fault for being on our land first.

here is a history tip: Never find yourself between an expansionist country and a coastline. It will not bode well for your future. :D

vienna 05-11-12 12:17 PM

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We stole countries with the cunning use of flags. Just sail around the world and stick a flag in. "I claim India for Britain!" They're going "You can't claim us, we live here! Five hundred million of us!" "Do you have a flag ***8230;? "What? We don't need a flag, this is our home, you bastards" "No flag, No Country, You can't have one! Those are the rules... that I just made up!...and I'm backing it up with this gun, that was lent to me from the National Rifle Association."

Eddie Izzard, from his show "Dress to Kill", 1998

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uEx5G-GOS1k


I sometimes think the policy followed by the natives of the various "savage" tribes was sound: strangers come to your land, particularly missionaries, and try to impose their will, instantly become dinner...

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Oberon 05-11-12 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by vienna (Post 1882645)
Eddie Izzard, from his show "Dress to Kill", 1998

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uEx5G-GOS1k


I sometimes think the policy followed by the natives of the various "savage" tribes was sound: strangers come to your land, particularly missionaries, and try to impose their will, instantly become dinner...

...

That usually worked until the Redcoats or Royal Navy arrived. :hmmm:

yubba 05-12-12 04:41 PM

Yeah that worked right up to about, ahh, 1812 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=50_iRIcxsz0


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