Agreed, the ELCO boats took the glory, since they were mostly deployed in the Pacific, where the majority of the Higgins boats went to Europe, and though the Higgins boats were used in the Pacific, they weren't to the extent of the latter boats.

Great link to the Higgins boat site btw! Anytime you can find a good PT site, it's like striking gold! Not too many around these days.

One of my old customers out west was a WWII PT skipper. Really cool elderly gentleman. He said the guys didn't care for the Higgins design, as the hull design didn't perform like the ELCO did in keeping the crew dry.

As he told me, unless it was rather calm, the ride was drenching. Where the ELCO hull design was made to push water away and keep the crew dryer. Of course, in rough seas, it didn't matter.

Just glad to see some PTs getting attention!

I looked hard at the designs of both and can see why the Higgins would wet the Crew down more.


It's a slight design difference but it makes the difference as you mention.

I would expect from just foreward of mid-ship and back would be a problem area.
:hmmm:

I also did some exporting of crew bodies and AI Crew to see if scale was an issue as mentioned in the original PT Boat thread.
I found the scale a non-issue in that regard.
Scale matches so it most probably the animations available that will cause issues.

The deadline for a workable Unit that meets the basic demands is fast approaching.
Any help is most wanted!

the checks in the mail in a minute or 2 have to back out of here, to load torps go to battle stations hit time up and you might want to hit manual, auto load button, you have to fire from uzo, auto aim is best. let me walk down to the mail box

Do you remember what PT-boat he was a skipper of? Is he still around?

If I recall:oops:, the Elco was more manuverable, but the Higgins was faster. Talking to the vets, it's like chochlate ice cream and vanilla, everybody has their favorites.

Glad to see interest increasing in the project:yeah::salute:.

@Yubba
Welcome aboard and thanks for the help.

Tried sending it out no go, pm neal to see if i can upload it here it's the old pt 109 mod thats in here, just mess around with weapons files till I got torps to work, I just got done testing it, it works fine got to shower I stink.

Looking at the Hull designs of both?
I can see why the Higgins was a faster but wetter ride.
And why the Elco was a bit more manuverable.

Several Boat Companies were around Bucyrus for years.
Baja and CheckMate.
I know alot of people that worked at them both and they did manage to sink a few facts into my head why each was the better designs.
:haha:

Looking at the design of the Elco Hull?
You see more of a Deep-Vee all the way back.
Great for cutting through the water I'm told.

The Higgins goes nearly flat just past mid-ship or so.
Great for rideing OVER the water, which reduces drag in all areas the Elco would be subject to.
But means you'd get a rougher and more water drenched ride at speed.

I often would go watch Baja and Checkmate test thier boats on the local waters and noticed when a new hull was being tested just by the spray off of the boats.

now that i got yaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhoooooooooooooooooooooo maybe you tell me how to send that pt file.

I'm thinking you have a MODS folder that you have all the files in right?

In Windows 7 you should be able to right click the folder,
select - send to - Compressed(zipped)folder

That will zip everything up and create a new zip file.
Send that as an attachment to my e-mail.

Here'a a little crew morale booster, from the day room in the Elco at Fall River:
http://desmond.imageshack.us/Himg842...pg&res=landing


...and a shot of pink lady Torp Juice:
http://www.eveningflavors.com/Dynami.../pink-lady.jpg

:salute:

Call me a stick in the mud I'm running xp, didn't know about having too compress files I see if it works , this is what I get trying to send it out, The host 'SMTP' could not be found. Please verify that you have entered the server name correctly. Account: 'POP3', Server: 'SMTP', Protocol: SMTP, Port: 25, Secure(SSL): No, Socket Error: 11001, Error Number: 0x800CCC0D
I think I got it sent out on good ole aol

Hit the PT boat today. We're taking the boat out on May 17th, so I'm going to record the engine sounds and the battlestations alarm then. Any other sounds we need?

@ privateer
Do you still need/want the line drawings? I talked to the person who has the original Higgins plans in (pdf)? electronic form, but I gotta write a bunch of emails to get it.

I sent privateer the files I made for the pt 109 mod found here in subsim downloads, the torps work fine, and I cleared the deck of the 40s, I don't know who's toes I stepped on, but I got the boat to work fine. Up to you guys to do something with weapons, could you tell me how to get rid of those butt ugly 20mm tubs and get the 50's stations and I would settle with a 20mm in aft station also.

Some one throwing up over the side. give me a minute I got this one. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4eYSpIz2FjU

@ privateer

Check your PM. I just sent you the oh-ficial line draweings.:salute::yeah:

Got them.
:yeah:

WIP (thinkining out loud)

Need a shopping list of other cool stuff.

4.22 notes:
Are there AI transport bargest in the game? A quick fix could be to convert and arm the sanpans in the game?
The German flak transport barges. (Foe Med missions)



Need to brainstorm some missions.

4-22 notes: Bulkley's actions in the Philipines (They were expendable)
PT-323 vs Asaguma
Pt-323 vs Kamikazes
Guadalcanal 42
Solomons 43
Surigao Straights 44
New Guinea
Invasion of Elba (Med)

Fighting the Tokyo express comes to mine, Battle for the Phillipines, taking on jap subs, and destroyer missions. Need to watch that John Wayne movie They Were Expendable.

The timeline is pretty slim.

A playable and fairly accurate 3D model is do-able.
With no other committed Modders?
Insides will have to be done later as it's a massive amount of 3D work by itself. Not to mention the other file work needed to activate such.