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HunterICX 02-29-12 04:20 AM

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Originally Posted by soopaman2 (Post 1847190)
I do not get that, blame yourself for the actions of some silly Serbian? It started in one of the most politically/ethnically diverse region in Europe, with a history of instability. No offense to my Balkan friends, but it is what it is.

Germany simply responded in the case of WW1, they did not start it.

Nor the Serbians or Balkan countries are to blame for it.
Did the serb gave the starting shot? perhaps but WW1 was in the making even without the Assasination of the Duke.

It where the old ties of alliences, dying empires and rising great powers and the ones that struggled to maintain their status that got whole of Europe into a Great War and took the whole world with it.

HunterICX

Skybird 02-29-12 06:49 AM

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Originally Posted by CaptainHaplo (Post 1847205)
The problem is that Germany want's the Euro to succeed. If it doesn't, then Germany has invested so much for nothing. Thus, it "has" to - and that means bailing out other countries who fail to control their own economies. Germany wants to be the economic powerhouse - but as long as it remains tied to the Euro, it will be pulling a massive weight trying to get there.

What'S even better, Germany pumps all this money into europe and does so on the basis of its economic strength and its high exports. That is the basis for its feee space for financial manouvers. Limit that space, and German finances decline and finally collapse - and done you are with Germany'S payemnts for europe. Still we get attacked over our economic competetiveness! That we tried to adopt to the crisis soon, by models that we got laughed about for and that now gets copied by others, is being turned into an argument against us. We are "too successful", they say - but the money produced by this success they take nevertheless, without a Thank You and with a fist waved at our direction.

Success makes you sexy, they say. I would say it different. Success raises demands by those who are not. Being in need to be helped by somebody else, raises hate against the helper. What it is really about in the end, is this: envy, and self-hate of those who refuse to admit that they have messed up. the mere fact that they must accept help if they do not want to drown is evidence for them that they failed.

I said that the EU since German reunification, and later the prematurely implemented Euro represent the by far greatest disaster in European history since WWII. And I stand by that statement. A europe of cooperating national economies that find shared psoitions towards the world: yes, I'm all for it. A Europe that is one state, with centralised government, year-planned economy driven by politicians, ideology denouncing local culture and habits and supressing the different identities of people in those many different, very different places that Europe is a summary of: No.

Either the Eu dies, or Europe dies. Because the EU today is the complete antithesis to Europe.

Skybird 02-29-12 06:56 AM

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Originally Posted by HunterICX (Post 1847300)
Nor the Serbians or Balkan countries are to blame for it.
Did the serb gave the starting shot? perhaps but WW1 was in the making even without the Assasination of the Duke.

It where the old ties of alliences, dying empires and rising great powers and the ones that struggled to maintain their status that got whole of Europe into a Great War and took the whole world with it.

HunterICX

Nationalism. Simply that.

Some French guy put it very elegant. He said something like "Patriotism is love for thy people. Nationalism is hate on other people."

Skybird 02-29-12 07:15 AM

German language:
Die Welt

The leftist "Sueddeutsche Zeitung" even calls the balance "verheerend" (devastating, disastrous):
SZ

German economy ministry declares offers for assistance to Greece as "fail" due to the Greek side delaying talks, boycotting partnership, and obviously not seeing any priorities in modernising the desolate Greek structures.

And this, in English: The Nazis are back:
Der Spiegel


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