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joegrundman 02-09-12 04:17 PM
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Originally Posted by misha1967 (Post 1836036)
Come to think of it: Wasn't that horrible violation of privacy rights, the Patriot Act, renewed three times by Obama?

And how come that drone strikes etc. are suddenly a-OK now that it's not an evil Republican doing them?

What's the word I'm looking for? Begins with an "H"... Hmm... Still working on it. Rhymes with "leprosy"...

Ah yes, I've got it: Hypocrisy!
leprosy rhymes with hypocrisy???

you guys talk funny in texas

Takeda Shingen 02-09-12 04:20 PM
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Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk (Post 1836054)
No sir..he is about the same as the other options.
That's about right. American politics is a revolving door of failed ideology that is very good at kicking out anyone who offers any tangible change.

Bubblehead1980 02-09-12 04:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Takeda Shingen (Post 1834979)
You must be very popular at school.

Left wingers hate me, esp when they get owned in class which is fine because I despise them more than anything, left wing ideology has done more damage to this country than any other, it is like a cancer.Trust me far right has as well, but not like the left.Fellow conservatives or moderates are the people I get along with and thus make up my friends.What I love is how certain people to try to pick apart things I write on here for spelling errors that are typos, nothing more. I usually author this stuff in a hurry so no spell check etc unlike a paper I turn in which is checked meticulously.Pick apart the bs details on a forum instead of the message, typical.

Certain members believe because they are older they are wiser etc, in some cases sure but not always, I have always disliked the arrogance people have just because they are older.Age does not equal intelligence and wisdom by default.

Bubblehead1980 02-09-12 04:26 PM
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Originally Posted by soopaman2 (Post 1836087)
I like the drone strikes.

It don't cost me a plane ticket to DC to attend family members funerals.

Ceremonies at Arlington are beautiful, but twice as sad for some reason...

Maybe because you know they died for rich people, and Cheneys little mercenary company.

But I am just a pinko commie pig right?

soopa, I've noticed you always talk about rich people.Quit hating people just because they have money...

Bubblehead1980 02-09-12 04:26 PM
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Originally Posted by vienna (Post 1836082)
Amen to that!...

I have a rather cynical acquaintance who has this theory: the GOP leadership knew just how badly the Bush administration had screwed up the economy and they new the worst was yet to come as a result of those failures after Bush left office; not wanting a GOP member in the White House when the Bandini hit the fan, they put a "poison pill" in the 2008 campaign in the form of Palin. Therefore, a Dem presides over the maelstrom of economic failure, the GOP gets a "free kick" in the form of having a Dem to kick around with minimal blame on themselves, and then the GOP can take back the White House just as they economy begins to come around, taking credit for the "rescue of" the economy...

I don't think this was a GOP master plan, because I don't think the GOP leadership is that smart (as evidenced by the "sterling" candidates they are fielding, so far), but, I must admit, if the idea didn't sound like something out of a political novel, it would rate some consideration... :hmmm:
Plausible theory actually...

Bubblehead1980 02-09-12 04:36 PM
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Originally Posted by soopaman2 (Post 1836049)
Your point? Maybe if a repub strong congress didn't fillibuster anything that would help the people in order to make the nigg, I uhh mean Barry Soetoro, Err Obama into a one term president, as admitted, we would be in a better place today.

But because partisan politics, and pledges to Grover Norquist are more important than the people, and what is best to the country, I suppose us normal folks have to take the abuse.

You ask as if I like my current president. He is simply better than the other options.


I'm still waiting for the "for the people, by the people part"

So you think me contradictory, because I like the black kenyan in office.

Better than the options sir.

Hypocrite? (does not rhyme with leprosy, kinda a stretch) No, I simply want our rights back, that we bent over and gave them out of fear after 9-11.

Crap like this, the extensions as you mentioned is what makes me believe we are similar to fascist Italy at this point.

But conservatives like the status quo, see my sig on my opinions of how well the status quo works.

Feed the corps, starves the proles. The true southern conservative way.

To think we once freed the slaves, now our government works to make all of slaves to it super PAC benfactors, thanks citizens United decision, a conservative supreme court ruling...

And you wonder why people are forced to democrats?

Give us a viable non partisan choice. No anti tax pledges to Grover Norquist. No backroom dealings with George Soros. For the freaking people, by the people.

or else....


It is our right to change it, regardless of anti protesting laws they may pass. These rights were given to us by our founders, who saw us as free men, not corporate puppets.

So tell us why you hate Obama? I already blew any socialist arguments out the water, it is well established he is as fascist as any (R)...

Sooooo.

Citizens united, while it has crappy consequences, is a correct and sound ruling constitutionally speaking.However, I hate the real world consequences as did the Justices no doubt but that is the difference.The intellectually honest justices(the conservatives) did their job and did not legislate from the bench of vote their political compass, they followed the constitution as a justice is supposed to do, without consideration of what might happen.Liberals were against it and voted against it because in their mind "to hell with the constitution, this might be bad for the process."

Example, I think the catholic church's position on contraception is just outright ignorant of the real world consequences of unwanted pregnancies or too many people in this world, but it is their constitutional right of religious freedom to not offer contraception coverage to their employeesa as well as not having the government try to dictate to them on this issue.Some left leaning judge will no doubt rule against them because of their opinion instead of following the constitution.

Bubblehead1980 02-09-12 04:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Platapus (Post 1835464)
Just like with Bush, If this person has evidence of an impeachable offense against the President, then they need to contact their representative in the House of Representatives. That's the process.

Not writing media articles.

If they are not willing to go through the official process, why would I think their article has any credibility?

Well if we have a GOP Senate and House, perhaps impeachment will be tried if he is reelectedl but then again, maybe not because many in the congress as just as guilty as he is.

vienna 02-09-12 04:42 PM
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I mentioned( just a few times) that I am in law school because it is a pertinent fact when discussing certain things namely law etc , not because I am attempting to give my statements more "weight" as you put it.
Actually, it does tend to come off as rather like the Star Jones spoofs on SNL where "Jones", a member of the "View" panel of ladies, would always preface 'her' comments with the phrase "...and, I am a lawyer,..."; doing so does not add weight to an argument unless:
  1. the question were soley a matter of law;
  2. being in law school had any relevance to the question;
  3. the level of the education were of a caliber to influence the opinion on a question, e.g., the opinion of a 1st year student verus a student in their final semester; even then, it would also only matter if the student was a 'specialist' in the relevant legal field (Constitutional law rather than tort law, for example...)
Quite frankly, I would rather take the opinion of full-fledged, experienced doctor over a 1st year medical student. This is not intended as a rip against you or your ambitions; I respect people who choose to take the challenge of a difficult field. But, don't mistake knowledge for expertise, and, conversely, don't mistake expertise for absolute knowledge...

As an aside, this reminds me of the psychology students I have known over the years who, after having started taking a few classes, attempt to psychoanalyze their friends and family; you wish them the best, but you also wish they would wait until they actually knew their profession...

Bubblehead1980 02-09-12 04:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Torplexed (Post 1835696)
No matter what year or political season it is, impeachment talk is always dirt cheap. :zzz:

not this time, he has done more than just lie.I could see an attempt to impeach him if he is reelected because he will be ever more dangerous when he does not have to answer to the voters.

Bubblehead1980 02-09-12 04:47 PM
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Originally Posted by vienna (Post 1836164)
Actually, it does tend to come off as rather like the Star Jones spoofs on SNL where "Jones", a member of the "View" panel of ladies, would always preface 'her' comments with the phrase "...and, I am a lawyer,..."; doing so does not add weight to an argument unless:
  1. the question were soley a matter of law;
  2. being in law school had any relevance to the question;
  3. the level of the education were of a caliber to influence the opinion on a question, e.g., the opinion of a 1st year student verus a student in their final semester; even then, it would also only matter if the student was a 'specialist' in the relevant legal field (Constitutional law rather than tort law, for example...)
Quite frankly, I would rather take the opinion of full-fledged, experienced doctor over a 1st year medical student. This is not intended as a rip against you or your ambitions; I respect people who choose to take the challenge of a difficult field. But, don't mistake knowledge for expertise, and, conversely, don't mistake expertise for absolute knowledge...

As an aside, this reminds me of the psychology students I have known over the years who, after having started taking a few classes, attempt to psychoanalyze their friends and family; you wish them the best, but you also wish they would wait until they actually knew their profession...

haha those were great skits:rotfl2:

Well that is not how I meant to come across but felt it was relevant to mention at times and still believe it is.

MothBalls 02-09-12 05:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Bubblehead1980 (Post 1836142)
I mentioned( just a few times) that I am in law school
Do they have English classes available there? You know, the ones that teach you sentence structure, punctuation, grammar, and vocabulary. I thought it might have been a prerequisite.

Sailor Steve 02-09-12 05:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Bubblehead1980 (Post 1836140)
Typos happen:salute:
But unless you're lazy they usually get corrected.

Tribesman 02-10-12 02:50 AM
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Left wingers hate me, esp when they get owned in class
By "owned" do you mean when you do a little bubblerant and they don't reply?
Sorry to break it to ya but if you look they are probably not replying because they are either trying not to laugh too much or realised that you are a waste of time since you are blinded by ideology.

Take a step back bubbles, when you say that all the students are dumb and cannot debate your "points" or string together a coherent sentence in response does it not even enter your mind that it is you that is the one....?

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A well known fact is that academia is dominated by lefties
Yes bubbles:doh:
Can you find a thing called a dictionary and look up the word "fact".
Look up the word "left" too in a political context and find the definition where it is put as "anything that is not a fruitloop wingnut conspiracy theorist":rotfl2:

Stealhead 02-10-12 03:17 PM
I must admit I am a little baffled by the claim that "academia is dominated by lefties". The leanings of the facility is going to depend largely on the school.Bubblehead comes from FL so I assume that he either went to Florida State or the University Of Florida.I cant say so much about FSU but I myself attended classes at UF to finish my BA and I have several friends that attended UF for their entire post secondary education.Some of my friends are very conservative and they never once complained about the facility being a bunch of "lefties" and in my experiences the left right leaning where 50/50.

If Bubblehead dislikes lefties so much he should have done a little research into the faculty of the school/s that he attended/attends.I mean if you go to UC Berkeley and you hate lefties you are the one that looks foolish. Bubblehead should have looked at this site before enrolling http://www.yaf.org/topconservativecolleges.aspx or perhaps Bubblehead does not understand what liberal arts means.:hmmm:

I think either Bubblehead is overly caught up in his own leanings that he automatically sees anyone that is not as conservative as he considers correct he just labels them a leftist.Personally I think that it is good for a college or university to have a mixture in its faculty.In my experience most professors where open to discussion not opposed to it.

I dont know about others but I do not choose my friends based on their ideologies as Bubblehead does what matters to me is are they are good person are they a good friend to me not who they vote for or what their political leanings are.

vienna 02-10-12 03:33 PM
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I dont know about others but I do not choose my friends based on their ideologies as Bubblehead does what matters to me is are they are good person are they a good friend to me not who they vote for or what their political leanings are.
I second the above. I have had many friends and/or acquaintances who have been the polar opposite of me on various subjects, political, social or any other category you could name. I may not have agreed with them, but I respected their views and welcomed their comments. As long as the basic civilities were observed and humor maintained, those encounters have been some of the most interesting I have experienced. I didn't try to overtly change their minds or convert them and they offered me the same respect. Life is extremely wearisome and boring when you are surrounded only by people who doggedly agree with you on everything...

misha1967 02-10-12 04:32 PM
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Originally Posted by soopaman2 (Post 1836049)
Your point? Maybe if a repub strong congress didn't fillibuster anything that would help the people in order to make the nigg, I uhh mean Barry Soetoro, Err Obama into a one term president, as admitted, we would be in a better place today.
Wow. Touchy, aren't we? :DL

Now, as to the "it's all the Republicans' fault", I'd like to point out to you that from 2008-2010 the Democrats were in firm control of both the White House, Senate and House of Representatives. Those Republicans sure are effective!

No, I don't "hate" Obama, nor do I care one little bit about the color of his skin. I've never cared about anybody's skin color, and I'm not about to start doing so now. You won't find me calling any criticism of Obama "racist".

It'd be much easier for us to fulfill Dr. Martin Luther King's dream about color blindness if certain parties would stop screaming about it all the time.

More importantly: You seem to say that you'd like for our government to return to being a government by the people, of the people and for the people with the consent of the governed?

Great! Welcome aboard! We're absolutely, positively, right on the same side on that one. Absolutely no need for the two of us to be at each other's throats there, because we completely agree.

And, lest you think that I'm just ranting against the Democrats here, which I'm not, let me be the first to say that the Republicans haven't been much better. They're the ones who started off the whole Patriot Act nonsense which mutated from being a way of defending ourselves against further 9/11s into TSA agents molesting us and our children when we try to get on an airplane. The Republicans did nothing to stop that either, as a matter of fact it was a Republican Congress that created the TSA fool agency.

I guess that I'm saying that we, as a people, aren't being served well by either side, and I agree that that needs to change. Both parties are currently two chips off of the same rotten block of wood.

So calm down. We're on the same side here :DL

Tribesman 02-10-12 07:23 PM
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I must admit I am a little baffled by the claim that "academia is dominated by lefties".
Well perhaps it needs to be put in perspective, leave aside all his previous writing, leave aside all the claims that have gone before, just see what the scope is........

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I have list many of these to my pinko-commie professors, nice to see someone gets them published.
OK leave aside that first bit as that might instantly colour your view of whoever posted it....so someone published it...a website which publishes stuff for truthers, birthers, new world order conspiracies, FEMA death camps and incredibly even the mysterious dreaded contrails:rotfl2:
But OK hold on maybe its a good article that slipped in with the rest of the crazy crap they published so we shouldn't laugh yet.....its written by a constitutional expert:up: thats good.... who also happens to be an expert on finding....ghosts:rotfl2:

soopaman2 02-10-12 07:32 PM
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Originally Posted by misha1967 (Post 1836743)
Wow. Touchy, aren't we? :DL

Now, as to the "it's all the Republicans' fault", I'd like to point out to you that from 2008-2010 the Democrats were in firm control of both the White House, Senate and House of Representatives. Those Republicans sure are effective!

No, I don't "hate" Obama, nor do I care one little bit about the color of his skin. I've never cared about anybody's skin color, and I'm not about to start doing so now. You won't find me calling any criticism of Obama "racist".

It'd be much easier for us to fulfill Dr. Martin Luther King's dream about color blindness if certain parties would stop screaming about it all the time.

More importantly: You seem to say that you'd like for our government to return to being a government by the people, of the people and for the people with the consent of the governed?

Great! Welcome aboard! We're absolutely, positively, right on the same side on that one. Absolutely no need for the two of us to be at each other's throats there, because we completely agree.

And, lest you think that I'm just ranting against the Democrats here, which I'm not, let me be the first to say that the Republicans haven't been much better. They're the ones who started off the whole Patriot Act nonsense which mutated from being a way of defending ourselves against further 9/11s into TSA agents molesting us and our children when we try to get on an airplane. The Republicans did nothing to stop that either, as a matter of fact it was a Republican Congress that created the TSA fool agency.

I guess that I'm saying that we, as a people, aren't being served well by either side, and I agree that that needs to change. Both parties are currently two chips off of the same rotten block of wood.

So calm down. We're on the same side here :DL

Please do not take it as if I think R's caused all the problem.

While I think they (R's) caused most of the problem (IMHO sorry), they (dems) are not truly blameless. Perhaps I am wrong. I can admit it if need be.

The D's are a problem too, they represent the same multiple headed Cerberus monster that is eating our countries wealth and prosperity.

It is almost like asking if you want to be hung or crucified, one is fast, the other is slow, both results in your death.

It saddens me that I feel so skeptical about my country. Maybe it is why i seem so revolutionary at times. We can change this.

Edit: This country needs more objective people, than knee jerk voters.

Like how Eddie Murphy got voted into office from simple name recognition in the movie "the Distinguished Gentleman"

Sure it is Hollywood, but too many uninformed voters exist to make that film plausible.

Stealhead 02-10-12 07:50 PM
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Originally Posted by soopaman2 (Post 1836869)

We can change this.

Actions speak louder than words a lot of people say this but nothing ever happens more than likely because there are too many people with far left or far right leanings who think everyone else is stupid and should be despised are out there.No government is perfect and can satisfy every citizen there are just to many differing views for this to be anywhere near possible.A short time after the US gained independence came the first upsetting of much of the citizenship with the tax on whiskey better known as the Whiskey Rebellion.We still have liquor taxes.:hmmm:

If you read about out the legislative branch of the US has more less always had corrupt senators and congressmen or ones that at least greatly favored their constituency over what was best for the entire nation.

The problem is someone running for office can say they will do this or that and seem very anti status quo but when they get to D.C. they very quickly find that they are going to be able to do very little assuming they really wanted to do so much in the first place.I think the best cure would be to introduce term limits.

krashkart 02-10-12 07:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Takeda Shingen (Post 1834979)
You must be very popular at school.
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Originally Posted by CCIP (Post 1834996)
Not to mention respectful, modest, and no doubt highly successful.
I am mostly uneducated and already thoroughly impressed with the opening post. Fantastic stuff! :yeah:






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