No, it's not family and it's not wealth and it's not color.
The simple truth of it is that there are people around who think that their view of the world is the only one, and that anyone who disagrees is an idiot, a fool or just "the enemy". I'm no fan of Obama, but I wasn't a fan of Bush either, nor Clinton, Bush sr, Reagan, Carter, or pretty much any president I can remember. That doesn't mean they didn't do good, or bad; it just means I wasn't a fan. But for some people there have to be sides, and if the person or party in power isn't their side then that person or party is automatically selling us down the river, and must be hated. It's a shallow, immature viewpoint and serves no purpose other than to make the holder feel superior.

As for $4.1 million making one "rich"? Perhaps not relatively speaking, but I certainly wouldn't turn it down as being "not enough".

Good points, but let's remember that the "us versus them" mentality that you decry is an essential ingredient of a two-party system. That, and the fact that fully half of us are below average. :D

Also a good point, but the founders never wanted a party system at all, though they ended up creating one almost from the start, and neither do I.

True, but I'll bet at least 90% consider themselves above average, and that's a major part of the problem.

I go back and forth on the merits of the two-party system. On the one hand, it always seems like I'm picking the lesser of two evils. On the other hand, there's only two evils, adding a third, fourth or sixteenth evil isn't go to make things any easier, or any less frustrating. Now, if I was King....

Forgive me, royal subjects ooops, I mean citizens, I have sinned, I have strayed from our founding, I have trampled on the constitution, I have spat upon your liberties, I believed that it was Bush's fault, and thought the European model would have been the way to go, but I was w-w-w wr, well any how I see now that unfettered c c cap it alllll ism is the way to turn things around, we all can come together as one nation and right our ship, we need to do this right!!!!! away. This would be something I would like too hear from President Obama.

I don't know of anyone who "hates" the current President. I do strongly dislike his policies, as they are demonstrably failures, I strongly dislike his views on the role of government, as he has shown that he feels government is the answer over the private sector. I strongly disagree with his refusal to listen to the will of the people regarding major issues in this country, like true debt reduction (vs nebulous cuts in GROWTH somewhere down the road), health care (which the majority of the country opposes "Obamacare") - mandates from on high (health care, emissions, financials, etc).

Its funny how when one articulates points of disagreement, they are immediately a "hater". People can accuse others of wanting to hang blacks from trees (not true), say that people with opposing political views can "go to hell", even encourage violence to "take them sons o'bitch" out, and thats not hate. Disagree with the president or his policies, and your a hater.

How about that "civil dialogue" the President talked about - then ignored? For a man who claimed he only wanted to unite, he has done more to divide this country than almost any political figure in the last 100 years.....

This thread is obviously a smear/rumormill designed to embarrass our glorious president. Therefore it has been reported to attackwatch.com so that the poor misguided souls can be reeducated for the good of the state.

:P

Funny how that is the line someone spins when religion is involved.:yep:

Same as the last pillock that was in the White House then.

That's not true in this case. The tone of the opening post, while not exactly hate, does qualify at least for the charge of dismissive condescencion.

Oh the facepalms....:roll:


I cant believe how stupid some people can be...

Clinton left office with a relative surplus. Bush steps in and the money disappears over the 2 terms he was president. Its pretty dam obvious was bush did wrong. Now, because Obama is president, the republicans are not only putting the huge majority of blame on him, but theyre making him out to be the devil.

Republicans will not close loopholes, will not regulate wall street, will not regulate housing. The idiocy and corruption of not regulating wall street from gambling the ginourmous amounts of global influence in wealth they possess is ridiculous. All the while having the audacity to pin it all on him, and psychoanalyze everything he does. When in all reality, Congress has the majority of power, and presidents can hardly "change" anything unless Congress too agrees.

Damn near every republican candidate is beyond the pale of stupidity this election too. Is obama a good president? No. But should he be tarred and feathered so republicans will look like angels and get their Imbeciles elected?

Nobody in this election is anywhere near the right direction. Not obama, not Perry, CERTAINLY not bachmann. Nobody. its one hell of a dangerous catch 22

Bush was worthless, so we vote in a Dem, Obama was worthless, so will vote in another Republican that will also be worthless.

Each will pander to the lobbiest that own them and the rich will get richer and poor poorer, doesn't matter.

It don't matter who you vote in.
When someone spends MILLIONS of dollars to win a job that pays LESS then what was spent to win it?

Does that not make you understand what the REAL rewards are?
:nope:

'I was President, I get MILLIONS if not Billions after I leave Office.
I don't understand why you all can't get a job like me.'
:stare:

I'll never live long enuff to see what I'd like to see.
:nope:

That's a Public Servant, paid by Tax Payers, that does the job they were hired for on a scale that matches non-Government wages with the same requirements.
You screw up? Your gone!!

I'd just settle for a President that practices Lex Rex, and believes in the rule of law...

How's that for some gasoline to this flamewar? :>

I'd settle for ANY elected official that actually did what he was elected to do!

I'd also like to see a Law that allowed execution of those who did not.
:arrgh!:

I think we should choose our President battle royale style! 12 politicians enter the ring, only one leaves. Solves two problems at once! :>

THUNDER DOME Elections!!
:rock:

12 Men enter! Only one leaves!!

Good points and agreed on all. Obama had the chance to achieve a lot, and he squandered it. He entered office with outrage at Wall Street excess at an all time high. People of all political stripes were ready to tar and feather investment bank executives. What's he do with that? He goes after health care with a bill that was written by the insurance lobby. :doh: Wall Street reform...going back to the days of Glass Steagall, repealing the Commodities Futures Modernization Act, the things that made the crisis possible...would have sailed through Congress. Instead he pursues divisive legislation that puts more money in the pockets of Big Insurance and entrenches the partisans on both sides of the aisle. Stupid.

If you're speaking relative yes, 4.5 mil is rich but in fact if you're speaking relative it could also mean no.

I just read a yahoo article that one now needs 2 million bucks for their retirement funds.

http://finance.yahoo.com/retirement/...s?mod=oneclick


Looking at that value 4.5 is not that much.

I believe my country's president has more than what Obama have. In fact if you compare Obama's wealth to his counterparts in South East Asia you could probably say Obama is relatively 'poor'. Heck Singapore PM takes home US$2.5 million ANNUALLY and his family is excessively rich.

No matter how poor, the poorest American is still part of the bourgeois elite when viewed from a world perspective.