Spin goes both ways.

http://www.davickservices.com/sherif...al_shelter.htm

Your article comes from the phoenix new times, a free magazine that can only be described as the most openly pro illegal immigration, anti gun, anti Republican, Anti Conservative anti American and pro communist tripe. I pick that magazine up every time I see it! After all why waist free toilet paper?

Nice bit of hyperbole ya did there, but I didn't catch where you deny that it happened.

I can neither confirm nor deny that it happened as I don't know and I wasn't there. I know his record on animal rights is stellar. I know the source of your argument is less than honest in its reporting. That is what I do know.

Now for the sake of argument lets say it did happen as reported and is fact.
What were the consequences? What were the circumstances?

I can show you a video of a Marine throwing a puppy off a cliff in Iraq, should he commandant of the Marine Corps be held accountable?

What if the dog was being aggressive? What if they were using the fire extinguisher to defend themselves from an unknown animal and it got scared by it and fled back into the fire? Pit bulls are seen as aggressive and unpredictable, what if it was a large pit? What if the Sheriffs who were reponsible for the botched opperation were fired? What if they went in on bad intel and supposed their were 300 armed spartan warriors inside ready to dig a pit and kick people in?

My point is that life has a lot of variables and its easy to spin any story these days. An officer shoots an aggressive pack of dogs attacking an elderly woman and next thing you know the stories out that somebody's loving cherished family pet was brutally murdered for helping the old lady across the street!

As it seems that some people are not worried about "innocent until otherwise proven" principle (correct me if I'm wrong) I think it's time to see if we find volunteers for following little experiment.

1. volunteer moves to area under responsibility of Maricopa County Sheriff's Office
2. we put on a word that that said person is for example (or something equally bad and as credible as possible) violent child molester, armed and dangerous.
3. we make sure press hear about this too
4. we make sure volunteers mugshot gets enough votes to get to frontpage
5. after our volunteer is found not guilty we see what he thinks about experience. Is it nice to have your face connected to child abuse or not?

Ofcourse this is likely illegal and therefore never happens.

If he didn't do anything about it yes. Now IIRC the USMC prosecuted that young man. What did Arpaio do to those officers? Anything?

Strawman argument. While you split hairs about whether a 10 month old dog was a threat or not and poison the well of August's source, you ignore the mountain of other evidence that shows Arpaio is nothing more than a jack booted thug - using his office to intimidate his political enemies, violation of election laws, etc.


Except not so much. "Comparing recidivism rates under Arpaio to those under his predecessor, the study found "there was no significant difference in recidivism observed between those offenders released in 1989-1990 and those released in 1994-1995." Personal experience is not scientific evidence.

Okay looking further into the original story linked off of August's page I find this out.

Reason for arrest, Trafficking in stolen automatic firearms, not unpaid traffic ticket. Huge difference. It appears an already captured co conspirator sung like a Christmas goose. That explains the force!

House caught fire when tear gas was used, reason used...Guy fled into attic and refused to come out. Ummm suspected automatic stolen weapons=tear gas good and justifiable choice.

Armored car parking break failure led to it rolling into a parked vehicle.

Link please.

Freiwillige, the charges were traffic violations. great result for a big effort eh

If he was a co-conspirator then why is his other co conspirator released after being charged on unrelated traffic violations.
If he sung like a goose then where are the alledged weapons?

The neighbours have a point, if there was a real threat of a full scale gunbattle with automatic weapons in a residential district why were the showteam so unproffesional?
He didn't even work with the local police.:nope:

Freiwillige, it might be an idea if you want to show the sherrif as something other than a complete idiot if you provided links that don't actually show him as a complete idiot.

That Kush guy was never charged for anything like that and the only weapons ever found in the case were a legally owned shotgun and pistol.

Uhmm, from what I read the guy was never given a chance to refuse to come out. The sheriffs arrived, suited up and attacked.

Any kid whose been to Drivers Education knows you both set the emergency brake and cut the wheels. I just see it as further evidence of incompetence and callous disregard for the public they're supposed to be protecting.

Bottom line here is you're defending a raid that was a miserable failure with a lot collateral damage and a serious act of animal cruelty.

Is this guy really worth the millions of dollars in damages the county has had to pay his victims and their survivors over the years? Is it really worth the lives of the people killed by his deputies?