Considering what he's done for SH3 and is attempting to do for SH5, I'd say he knows what he's talking about.

You were talking about arrogant? On the other hand, since you gave me a laugh that I've catalogued for 'Post of the Year' consideration I'm glad to cut you some slack too.

So back up and take a deep breath, both of you, or I'll call Frau Kaleun and her angry Wombat. :O:

No; IT'S inappropriate to take criticism of SH5 personally. IT'S also inappropriate to use misdirection in your arguments, through strawmen, etc.

Oh, and just so you know, there is no SH6 Strawman game coming out. I swear, you and what's-his-name probably ARE looking for that thread, if only to prove his hyperbole was warranted. So thanks for tacitly admitting (through a content-free post) that you can't back up what he wrote (again, point me to the post saying SH5 must be as good as GWX out of the box.)

Yeah he knows what he's talking about and he IS making valid points.

I just don't like his condescending, borderline immature little remarks.

"Do me a favor" sure, the day I owe you one. - Slightly uncalled for but.. I let it pass.


@ #2. Wow; I didn't know that. I've only been corresponding with Privateer constantly on that thread. And working on my own to import new units, and preparing my merchant ship mod for eventual SH5 use. I happen to love SH5's environmental FX & human models, and I think it's ill-served by a number of limitations. In between modding Sh3 and 4 I am doing what I can to address this issue. Do review what "out of the box" means. - This is not common knowledge.. and the slight hint of smug superiority I would say this could have been worded better..

#3 - Seriously - do we know yet what out of the box means, kids? - Yet another comment from atop his mighty throne. Kids? Really?

Oh, and just so you know, there is no SH6 Strawman game coming out. I swear, you and what's-his-name probably ARE looking for that thread, if only to prove his stupid hyperbole was warranted. - And of course again, one more comment from atop the mighty throne of greatness.

You make valid points, and you could have continued the debate making your points. Instead you decided to come off classless and rude. For really no reason, I don't really see the motive to make comments in that nature, honestly.

Ah! Back from searching for that thread I mentioned. How's it going?

"Instead you decided to come off classless and rude."

Your "gold star" comment was the height of politeness, sweetheart.

IMHO your capacity for remaining consistent is roughly equal to your debating skills. Again, point me to the thread where I demanded that SH5 be the equivalent of GWX out of the box. I'm sure that you can do this, and that you're not just misdirecting because deep down you don't believe the garbage strawman argument that was put up earlier.

While my Gold Star comment was my own crowning achevievment of rude, I see your ever attempting to raise the bar for yourself, Buttercup.

I tried to emphasize that SH5 is a flawed game that turned off some people right at the outset. I did not say it was worthless, that it was not worth improving, etc. In fact, I am trying to do this myself. If YOUR (ha!) too slow to read posts before wading in, well...

As was SH3 and 4. Which I played, and enjoyed. So I'm still failing to see why SH5 is reacted to as if it has some sort of Keyboard transmitted STD?

With the exception of the FIRST SH.. I think they all were pretty much a game completely reliant upon the subsim community and mods.

Wow. From criticism of SOME issues with the game to ... venereal disease? Not my area of expertise; thanks.

As fascinating as these ailments might be to some people on the forums, I'd rather concentrate on enjoying what the various SH's do best. And occasionally try to mod 5, while reserving the right to point out the things it doesn't do well yet.

All good points Ducimus...especially the last one. :ping:

to understand the positions people take on comparing sh3 to sh4 or to sh5 you must first consider the frame of mind the person is judging things

to some what is THE most important thing about the game is its realistic environments

to others what is THE most important thing about the game is its realistic gameplay

and to others what is THE most important thing about the game is its just about ease of playability and game bugs

so when you find it very hard to understand someone elses viewpoint about the game that you dont share, then first try to be objective and understand the position from which a person views whats important to the game because it is very likely not going to be the same criteria as yours but that just means that we are all different and want different things.

you shouldnt take it upon yourself to try and change the minds of others but rather just understand where they are coming from with their views

this post is ment for no one in particular but just my thoughts on opinions that differ

Woah take it easy. Christ I'm only defending the game on points I see are being worked on or have been fixed.

Sure you may have done a lot for SH3/4 and getting on with it in 5, but it does not give you carte blanche to knock other peoples views as stupid or treat others as below your level.

I believe Sh5, as the rest of the Silent Hunter series are, is a great game, but has its quirks that need to be worked on.

Oh and my name isnt what's his name. It's Krauter :O:

To Krauter and Drewcifer, the sarcasm & personal comments were excessive and I apologize.

I stand by my concerns about SH5; I have a strong opinion about it precisely because it is very nearly the ultimate subsim experience. Once again, ubi's programmers earned their salaries a hundred times over when it comes to character models & effects. Ship models + the new terrain are great. The dynamic campaign, although flawed, is good, and I appreciate ubi not going the 100% scripted route.

This makes the remaining issues with it all the more frustrating. There are few sims of any kinds left, and this makes us feel strongly about them in a way you don't feel for, say, the latest FPS.

Still, that's no reason to be rude, so I am sorry for some of the earlier comments on this thread.

This has got to be a fist class post that shows just what is happening
to these forums.
The first point it states .... that another member has modded certain versions
of the game so he knows what he is talking about.
Is this not a typical reaction of a little group of close nit members who do conceder
themselves above all others.

The second point ..... "since you gave me a laugh that I've catalogued for 'Post of the Year' consideration I'm glad to cut you some slack too"....
So having a little gold star under your user name also means you are above other members also
as seen in a different thread where a member was ripped about other subs but
because it was done by Gold star wearers and friends it was ok.

Looks like a return of the days gone by to me or did they ever leave :hmmm:

It seems to me that Steve was just trying to defuse a tense situation, and was using humor to do so. Also, since this is the second time that you have gone after someone who had recieved an award, I'll point out that going after someone because they recieved recognition from the community isn't very nice at all.

And that is all you see isn't it :nope:

Well, you've clearly got a beef with people that have one of those 'Best of' badges, so I suppose that I'm included in that. On my part, I'm sorry that you're upset about something. I wish that I could help.

For me personally I don't feel you need to apologize, things went off the map for a bit.. But I think we all realized we went to far.. and for me the whole thing is yesterdays news.

Sh5 has a long way to go, thats the short answer. But it is coming into its own now and is 'starting' to be deserving of being put on the shelf 'near' sh3. When people make comments like "I haven't played, and I don't ever plan on playing sh5.." Its just getting old. Its completely asinine that we have this political divide between sh3, sh5. alot of the modders that made sh3 great, are working on sh5... We are the subsim community.. end of story.

Every Point you made was valid... and I agree with you, just not the way you said them to me. If that makes sense.

Thats what I am talking about .. well done to you both :yeah:

Come on guys. . .group hug.

There. . .see how much better that is?

Now lets get back to yelling about silent hunter 5.