i saw this a hundred times its stupid -.-

LMAO what a joke, and a pathetic one at that. All of those countries you listed, Amerika has been in involving war crimes, usualy supporting/propping up anti-communist dictators, so US corporations can run wild and rape they're resources. Sorry but you can't use death as an excuse against communism, as capitalism has proven to caused the most suffering, disease, poverty, murder and oppression the world has ever seen.

CIA/US-Backed Dictatorships good for business

Abacha, General Sani ----------------------------Nigeria
Amin, Idi ------------------------------------------Uganda
Banzer, Colonel Hugo ---------------------------Bolivia
Batista, Fulgencio --------------------------------Cuba
Bolkiah, Sir Hassanal ----------------------------Brunei
Botha, P.W. ---------------------------------------South Africa
Branco, General Humberto ---------------------Brazil
Cedras, Raoul -------------------------------------Haiti
Cerezo, Vinicio -----------------------------------Guatemala
Chiang Kai-Shek ---------------------------------Taiwan
Cordova, Roberto Suazo ------------------------Honduras
Christiani, Alfredo -------------------------------El Salvador
Diem, Ngo Dihn ---------------------------------Vietnam
Doe, General Samuel ----------------------------Liberia
Duvalier, Francois --------------------------------Haiti
Duvalier, Jean Claude-----------------------------Haiti
Fahd bin'Abdul-'Aziz, King ---------------------Saudi Arabia
Franco, General Francisco -----------------------Spain
Hitler, Adolf ---------------------------------------Germany
Hassan II-------------------------------------------Morocco
Marcos, Ferdinand -------------------------------Philippines
Martinez, General Maximiliano Hernandez ---El Salvador
Mobutu Sese Seko -------------------------------Zaire
Noriega, General Manuel ------------------------Panama
Ozal, Turgut --------------------------------------Turkey
Pahlevi, Shah Mohammed Reza ---------------Iran
Papadopoulos, George --------------------------Greece
Park Chung Hee ---------------------------------South Korea
Pinochet, General Augusto ---------------------Chile
Pol Pot---------------------------------------------Cambodia
Rabuka, General Sitiveni ------------------------Fiji
Montt, General Efrain Rios ---------------------Guatemala
Salassie, Halie ------------------------------------Ethiopia
Salazar, Antonio de Oliveira --------------------Portugal
Somoza, Anastasio Jr. --------------------------Nicaragua
Somoza, Anastasio, Sr. -------------------------Nicaragua
Smith, Ian ----------------------------------------Rhodesia
Stroessner, Alfredo -----------------------------Paraguay
Suharto, General ---------------------------------Indonesia
Trujillo, Rafael Leonidas -----------------------Dominican Republic
Videla, General Jorge Rafael ------------------Argentina
Zia Ul-Haq, Mohammed ----------------------Pakista

Thats right, Adolf Hitler, upon a book. Read IBM and the Holocaust.
As for those killed by capitalism?

well......

Imperialism is the highest stage of capitalism, and fascism is capitalism in decay.

1.6 Billion Murdered

Second Boer War 75,000
Japanese Massacre of Singapore 100,000
Burma-Siam Railroad Construction 116,000
Japanese Germ Warfare in China 200,000
Rebelling Shia Killed by Saddam 300,000
US Bombing of Yugoslavia 300,000
US Bombing Iraq Water Supply '91 500,000
US Civil War 700,000
Iraq-Iran War 1,000,000
US sanctions on Iraq 1,000,000
US Backed Suharto 1,200,000
Irish Potato Famine 1,500,000
Japanese Democides 5,964,000
Famine of 1932-33 7,000,000
Bengal Famine of 1943 10,000,000
Famine in British India 30,000,000
US Intervention in the Congo 5,000,000
Hurricane Katrina 1,836
Indonesian Anti-Com. Purge 1,000,000
Stateless Capitalist Somalia 1,000,000
Industrial Revolution USA 100,000
1898 US War vs Philippine 3,000,000
Palestinians Killed by Israel 826,626
Guatemala 300,000
Nanking Massacre 300,000
Iraq (Selling Gas to Saddam) 400,000
Iraq (Desert Storm) 500,000
Invasion of the Philippines 650,000
Feudal Russia 1,066,000
Afghanistan 1,200,000
Iraq 1,300,000
Khmer Rouge 2,035,000
South African Apartheid 3,500,000
Nazi Holocaust 12,000,000
US Aggression on Latin America 6,000,000
Japanese Imperialism 6,000,000
Vietnam War - including Cambodia & Laos 10,000,000
Korean War 10,000,000
British Occupation of India 20,000,000
Great Depression (America alone) 12,000,000
World War One 16,500,000
World War Two 60,000,000
Native American Genocide 95,000,000
Capitalist Policy in India 1947 - 1990 120,000,000
African Slave Trade 150,000,000
US Backed murder of Tamils 30,000
Spanish-American War 100,000
Spanish Civil War 400,000
Union Carbide Bophal Disaster 15,000
Massacre of Paris Commune 20,000
First Indochina 1946-1954 1,500,000
Belgian Congo Colonization 1,000,000
French Madagascar 80,000
Nigerian Civil War 1,000,000
Rwandan Genocide 1,000,000
US Made Famine Bangladesh 100,000
Children Died fr Hunger '09 5,256,000
Children Killed by Hunger Since 9/11 235,000,000
Children Killed by Hunger during the 1990s 100,000,000
Ciggarette Related Deaths Worldwide (1960 - 2010) 300,000,000
Total Killed by Capitalism: 1,559,657,267

http://www.hermes-press.com/capitalism2.jpg

What war crimes did we conduct in the USSR? :hmmm:

Gee who was supplying him with all his oil right up until June 1941? :hmmm:

that is what the COMINTERN told the communist parties in Germany in the 1930s...

I'm not a moderator, but I play one on TV:

A public service message:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kK269...eature=related
:D:yeah:

I'm not a troll, this was a legitimate thread, getting feedback from comrades in the USA until you right wing kooks decided to go in your little Yankee cow-boy anti-communist purges to try to attack me with silly BS. So shut it, or stick to the topic. If you have nothing to say about Egyptian socialists and their situation, then go on one of the other topics and troll. Go start a thread how Obama is a socialist and is "destroying" Amerika. Then you all can group up and take out your frustrations on evil socialism and communism that threatens liberty, freedom, and democracy.

Good day

:haha::haha::haha:

Tell me how the bottom of the keel looks as you pass by.

Starts clock now.

Grammar FAIL.

You mad bro?

I'm fine now...Just aggrevated from idiot right-wing amerikans cherry picking idealogy... Anyways here is the original link again in which this forum topic is to discuss. Here are a few questions

http://socialistworker.org/2011/02/2...tian-socialist

What strategic alliances can the Egyptian working class make during this "transition"?

How strong is the socialist party, and what influence did it play during the brief revolution?

How should other political parties play a role in shaping Egypt new government/economy without collaboration with corrupt institutions?

What are your thoughts on the Mubarak regime?

Okay here's a clean slate, and hopefully we can have a civil discussion/debate for those interested an intelligent conversation.

Is Washington in flames what you really want?

I've addressed that twice now, and still you try to sneak it in.

You attack indescriminately, you insult every one you can, and when it doesn't work you ask for a clean slate and intelligent conversation?

You haven't had an intelligent conversation on this subject yet. I've changed my opinion - you are indeed a childish troll.

No, but I'm responding back as August just posts a huge pic of Crossing out a hammer and sickle and his anti-communist rehtoric Right after the Texan comrade posted a memo in solidarity with the Eygptian socialists. You should study the thread more closley ;)

http://socialistworker.org/2011/02/2...tian-socialist

What strategic alliances can the Egyptian working class make during this "transition"?

How strong is the socialist party, and what influence did it play during the brief revolution?

How should other political parties play a role in shaping Egypt new government/economy without collaboration with corrupt institutions?

What are your thoughts on the Mubarak regime?

http://i411.photobucket.com/albums/p...ombstone03.jpg

Well....bye.

And you're mocking McBee for his grammar?

August has discussed many things intelligently and fairly in the past. His attitude toward you is based on your constant childish prattle about the evils of our country.

A Hammer & Sickle with a line through it is hardly equal to the Capitol of the United States in flames. If you don't want that, don't post it. You shouldn't be talking about anti-Communist rhetoric after the attacks you have staged so many times on this board. You have jumped right into threads trashing the United States, and now you complain about someone doing the same to you, and much less virulently? My opinion of you stands.

You also didn't answer either one of my challenges. Are you avoiding that?

I don't care about your "challenges" I don't care what the rest of you think about me, I made this thread to discuss a certain issue, not personal attacks. I got one feedback then the rest was BS going back and forth. I apologizes if I offended people for criticizingly and in some cases verbally attacking the US government. I'm sorry. I appreciate what the subsim community has done to help me with my problems and figure out challenges to achieve a great immersible experience. For this I am grateful. So lets just knock it off, and post something thats relevent. I'm done arguing. And if you want to continue going back and forth then that just shows that you want to take part in Childish rebutting.

Topics of discussion listed bellow a few threads down------------v

You posted an out-and-out lie. I exposed it. You did it again. I responded again. In this thread you posted it a third time. You need to answer that.

Secondly, you continually attack the US without rhyme or reason. You can't complain when people treat you in kind.

You need to grow up and treat people with respect. Then you'll see them do the same.

*sigh* I am grown up and I do treat people with respect, don't start bringing up crap and lecturing me.. I get pissed off when I am personally attacked. I attacked your government thats not the same as an individual person -.-

You sure are quick for a reply. I edited the thread below -.-

It's times like these when I'm seriously wondering why I'm writing my master's thesis on Soviet Union's history (Between 1928 - 1945 and times of emerging Stalinism, no less). Guys like the OP really don't make it easier for us who have genuine academic interest in the subject. A cookie to anyone who can guess how many sentences I can usually say about this before someone asks if I'm a communist.

For anyone interested, I recommend finding Chris Ward's "Stalin's Russia" and reading the last chapter. The whole book is good in my opinion, but the last chapter is specifically interesting. Ward dicusses (among other things) the problem of how a historian should approach a subject that is seen by the majority as fundamentally evil and that's crimes are proven and documented. The same problem applies for many other fields, I reckon, like those interested in the Third Reich. The last chapter is only like 2 or 3 pages long, so if you happen to see the book in a library and have a minute to spare, I recommend checking it out.

And as for the OP I have only one thing to say: :nope:.

Instead of good/evil false paradimes howabout a realist perspective its all about power? Also, there's a good book, called The Russians, which documents everyday/normal day life of russian citizens during the soviet union. Anyways lets try to stick with the forum topic please.

Now let's see...

1: You rant about evil Amerikans [sic] this and that all the time.

2: After this you come up with "it's not good/evil" argument. Without reading any of what I have written in my thesis, I might add.

3: You keep repeating a few key phrases all the time. Key phrases of which none require higher level of knowledge of the subject than high school's history books. Poorly and selectively read, I might again add.

4: After this you come up with the "realpolitik" argument, which is pretty much the most used argument you can ever come up with when discussing matters like these. Again without reading any of my work and knowing if I have taken the matter in the account.

I remain unimpressed. And on the border between insulted and amused that you assume I haven't decided to take the microhistorical level into account in my research.