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August 12-17-10 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by CaptainHaplo (Post 1555362)
Fix the overhead problems, get people to actually PAY for services, not sue at the drop of a hat, etc - and medical costs would drop drastically

That sounds all well and good Hap but I have my doubts that costs would ever drop to any great degree regardless of how the system was manipulated. There are just too many people and companies in the industry trying to maximize their profits. Again this isn't about some lab tech or doctor making big coin.

As for restricting a patients ability to sue we both know that whatever scheme is enacted it will soon be used to limit damage payments to people who really do deserve that large financial judgment. Like that guy up here awhile back that had the wrong leg amputated for instance.

August 12-17-10 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Sailor Steve (Post 1555373)
Perhaps medical care could be run the same way.

Maybe so. Having the Feds administer it just opens the door to more graft and misappropriation.

mookiemookie 12-18-10 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by CaptainHaplo (Post 1555362)
August - but you have to look at WHY that cost was so high. Malpractice insurance - the cost of the machine (which is astronimical) - not counting the money the techs made. Sure, they make a decent living - but if you think the majority of that went into their pockets your wrong.

The biggest costs in medical care are overhead - facilities and equipment. Followed closely by the costs of medication. Now - if everyone who accessed medical care PAID for it - even if it was a reasonable sum - then the costs of doing BUSINESS in health care would decrease. But between the insurance, R&D, non-payments, etc - the costs are huge. Then you have the employees - be they docs, nurses or whatnot.

When a "miracle pill" is developed - that first pill off the line may cost 10's of millions of dollars. All the ones after? A few pennies. But the business has to average that out. The cost of the MRI machine? Average over 1 Million. The business then has to figure maintenance etc - so every usage has to help cover those costs...

Fix the overhead problems, get people to actually PAY for services, not sue at the drop of a hat, etc - and medical costs would drop drastically.

I don't see in your post any mention of repealing the antitrust exemption for the insurance industry. If insurance companies were forbidden from collusion, price fixing, market allocation, bid rigging, etc, don't you think that would naturally have a greater effect on lowering prices than limiting the rights of the people to seek redress in court?

If any politician had any stones at all, they'd repeal the McCarran Ferguson Act, and you'd see real insurance reform. Unfortunately, it will never happen. Corrupt political hacks in the pocket of big insurance like Ben Nelson, as well as rules that allow special interest to pour their money into political campaigns (Citizens United decision) will make any kind of real repeal and reform a pipe dream.

Skybird 12-20-10 05:58 AM

Judge Who Ruled Health Reform Law Unconstitutional May Have Conflict of Interest

CaptainHaplo 12-20-10 08:51 AM

Mookie - we don't often find areas to agree on, but I totally agree with you on the insurance exemption. Heck, I am all for letting companies sell nationwide instead of by state because it would help the consumer.

mookiemookie 12-20-10 09:37 AM

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Originally Posted by CaptainHaplo (Post 1557067)
Mookie - we don't often find areas to agree on, but I totally agree with you on the insurance exemption. Heck, I am all for letting companies sell nationwide instead of by state because it would help the consumer.

Fun fact: the original health care "reform" bill that they proposed had a repeal of McCarran Ferguson in it. Nebraska senator Ben Nelson (ex state insurance commissioner and recipient of over $1 million lifetime donations from the insurance industry) held his vote hostage saying that he wouldn't vote for a bill that included it, oh yeah, and also have the taxpayer fund $100 million of Nebraska's Medicare obligations.

And they went along with it. Politics as usual. :nope:


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