I know many people in the US who are vociferously against ILLEGAL immigration. The press invariably broadens this to "immigration," which is a disservice to those against illegal immigration.

I'd be fine with the US border protected by "shoot to kill" orders, for example. No problem in the least. That said, I'd also be fine with letting as many mexicans immigrate as do now illegally—I just want them to fill out the bloody paperwork. That's it. Illegally crossing? I'm fine with them being killed for that. If they fill out a form so we can check that they are not criminals, etc? Let them in!

It has nothing to do with anything but vetting them properly.

The end result of what I would like? The same exact number of immigrants (minus the handful that are criminals that might get sorted out) that we get illegally, only they are here legally now.

Restrictions and laws against muslims for the preservation of culture and heritage.
That sounds exactly like the arguement put forward against the jews when introducing the nuremburg laws.
Yet obviously...........you can't see it just like Skybird doesn't see it when his writing is straight out of Mein Kampf.
Amazing isn't it:doh:



Unfortunately there is no cure for idiocy and that particular phobia is very infectious in people who don't think.

Talking about Saudi and Dubi? Yea they were forced in the 60s to outlaw it but in some areas it is still practiced (mostly in Islamic Africa). A women in the UK was just charged with enslaving a woman from Tanzania.

Wow must have changes since i last went to the US as you could easily see the difference between the two lines, one being that the line for non citizens had a sign above it saying 'aliens'

You know I have to find that statement a ironic when looked at historically. The US was actually not based on open immigration and collectively tended to resist (and hate) the immigration of other groups, first it was the non protestant non Anglo-Saxons from Europe (the Irish, Italians, French, etc) then it was the Slavic countries and the Jews, and then the Asians (particularly the Chinese), Africans, Hispanics, etc.

Every single one of these groups triggered massive amounts of paranoia, hatred, racism, violence, oppression, etc. on arrival to the US. The United States was always historically a seething cauldron of hate of outsiders, and in many ways it's still there.

Which isn't to say that other countries are much better, as it is human nature to hate and fear that which is not like you. Some countries are just a bit better at concealing it (and some don't at all).


Now as for this concept of the Muslim problem. Honestly I wish that everyone would just get along and stop trying to force each other to their way of thinking, believing, whatever. Unfortunately that does not seem to be very likely to happen any time soon.

Anyhow here is a quick summary of the points I have issues with with the overall Muslim community as a whole.

• The treatment of women. Needless to say a huge issue covering all kinds of points from forced FGM (genital mutilation), to women as property or non people.
• The general lack of denouncing radical behavior and terrorist actions from certain sections of the Muslim community. From what I've seen some Muslims strongly denounce such stuff, many seem to remain silent (or quietly support it), and the rest are strongly in favor of it.
• The colonization behavior. Large amounts of immigration + much higher birthing rates (6-10 to 1) + tendency to form large communities, gain numerical superiority, and then demand special rights like demanding sharia law = colonization.
• Proselytizing and forced conversion. I have to admit I've never much cared for religions that like to put their views in everyone else's face and actively try to convert others. Actually it has always been one of those things that really ticks me off. Needless to say I want to take a bat to the head of anyone who thinks they have the right to force others to believe what they do.
• All the stuff that has been going on in Africa, Asia, and parts of Europe. Colonizing, terrorism, forced conversion, and violence against non Muslims.
• The tendency to demand the death of and attempt to kill anyone who dares disagree or speaks out. The propensity of violent behavior towards anyone different.
• The aggressive violent behavior displayed by many young Muslims. Including honor killings, raping girls who do not dress in a way they consider proper, other violent crimes and actions, etc.
• The hate speech propagated by many Muslim clerics and others against women, the west, Jews, and non Muslims in general

I could go on and in more detail. But I think that summarizes my main issues; issues that I feel are valid based on my own observations and investigations. This isn't to say that Muslims are the only group I have issues with (I have issues with just about every country, religion, and other groupings), they just tend to be towards the top of my list as far as egregious behavior. This also does not mean that I dislike all Muslims. I have met several who are good kind people that I got along well with.

I meant the PEOPLE in the line. The lines were clearly labeled.