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ETR3(SS) 08-15-10 10:19 PM

I'll take a stab at that, September 2, 1945 with the signing in Tokyo Bay onboard the USS Missouri.

nikimcbee 08-15-10 10:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Platapus (Post 1468411)
psst

VJ not JV

VJ is Victory over Japan
JV is Junior Varsity.

:D

Well played sir, you beat me to it:haha:

Jimbuna 08-16-10 05:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Sailor Steve (Post 1468911)
And now it's time for me to ask the same question I ask every year, and see if anybody remembers:

VJ day marked the end of the fighting, but when did the war officially end?

Most people believe and accept that World War 2 was officially ended in late April/Early May 1945 in Europe with the success of the Allies and fall of Rome and Berlin in Europe and in September of the same year in the Far East, but there is also a theory that states that it did not actually "officially" end until far later - almost 45 years later, in fact!

The reason behind this theory is that, after the cessation of hostilities, Germany was divided into the two separate sovereign states of East and West Germany. Therefore the country which originally declared war on Britain, starting World War II (just "Germany") did not then exist.

The state of war between the ORIGINAL PROTAGONISTS of World War II - those being "Germany" and "Britain" could not therefore technically be "officially" declared as over until "Germany" itself (and not just East Germany or West Germany) existed properly and independently in it's own right, which did not happen until the east and west countries were re-unified into one sovereign state once again on October 3rd 1990.

Whichever theory is correct, what is true is that Germany and Japan (the 'Axis' forces) conceded defeat in the war and surrendered to the Allied forces in 1945, with the Japanese doing so later in the year - on September 2nd, so it is reasonable to assume that date as the end to World War II.

:smug::03:

Raptor1 08-16-10 05:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Sailor Steve (Post 1468911)
And now it's time for me to ask the same question I ask every year, and see if anybody remembers:

VJ day marked the end of the fighting, but when did the war officially end?

VJ day did not really mark the end of the fighting; VJ day marks the day Japan announced it's surrender, organized resistance continued until August 23rd (IIRC) against the Soviets in Manchuria and the Kuril Islands. The last action was taken by September 1st with the Soviets occupying the Kurils and the actual surrender was signed on September 2nd.

So, officially: September 2nd, 1945.

Sailor Steve 08-16-10 08:33 AM

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Originally Posted by ETR3(SS) (Post 1468913)
I'll take a stab at that, September 2, 1945 with the signing in Tokyo Bay onboard the USS Missouri.

Not even close.:D

Sailor Steve 08-16-10 08:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Raptor1 (Post 1469033)
So, officially: September 2nd, 1945.

Nope.

Raptor1 08-16-10 08:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Sailor Steve (Post 1469111)
Not even close.:D

If that's the case, September 12th, 1990.

Sailor Steve 08-16-10 08:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Raptor1 (Post 1469113)
If that's the case, September 12th, 1990.

I'll bite. What happened on that date? :06:

Raptor1 08-16-10 08:51 AM

The 'Treaty on the Final Settlement with Respect to Germany' was signed, in which the Allies formally ended their occupation of Germany which followed World War II.

Perhaps a better date would be January 25th, 1955, when the Soviets formally ended the state of war between them and Germany (The last country to do so, AFAIK).

TLAM Strike 08-16-10 09:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Sailor Steve (Post 1468911)
And now it's time for me to ask the same question I ask every year, and see if anybody remembers:

VJ day marked the end of the fighting, but when did the war officially end?

VJ Day does not mark the end of the fighting in WWII, WWII finaly ended on October 21 1963 when the Polish Paramilitary Police killed Józef Franczak the last active member of the Żołnierze wyklęci (Cursed Soldiers) who were fighting the Communist occupation of their country.

Although I guess Japan finally surrendered in April 1980 when Captain Fumio Nakahira was captured on Mindoro

ETR3(SS) 08-16-10 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Sailor Steve (Post 1469111)
Not even close.:D

Ok so what is the answer then?:06:

mako88sb 08-16-10 11:29 AM

From Wikipedia:

"President Truman officially declared an end to hostilities by Presidential Proclamation on December 31, 1946"

Do you know the reason for this Sailor Steve?

Gerald 08-16-10 11:41 AM

what is the right answer,in this subject?
 
http://imgur.com/tGQ8T.jpg

:hmm2:

Jimbuna 08-16-10 01:55 PM

Well whatever the date, looking at my post at #43 I'm thinking there will be some little known detail or technicality behind the answer.

One answer could be 'it's still not over' because as far as I know the small state of Andorra (perched in the mountains between Spain and France) never actually recognised or signed any peace treaty with Germany and are therefore still technically at war with her :hmmm:

Gerald 08-16-10 02:09 PM

So, September 2nd is correct
 
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Originally Posted by jimbuna (Post 1469368)
Well whatever the date, looking at my post at #43 I'm thinking there will be some little known detail or technicality behind the answer.

One answer could be 'it's still not over' because as far as I know the small state of Andorra (perched in the mountains between Spain and France) never actually recognised or signed any peace treaty with Germany and are therefore still technically at war with her :hmmm:

response, good to know from a trustworthy source :DL

TLAM Strike 08-16-10 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by jimbuna (Post 1469368)
One answer could be 'it's still not over' because as far as I know the small state of Andorra (perched in the mountains between Spain and France) never actually recognised or signed any peace treaty with Germany and are therefore still technically at war with her :hmmm:

I think that was from WWI no WWII. Andorra and the Kaiser finally declared peace in 1958.

The Third Man 08-16-10 02:18 PM

Are there still allied troops in Germany, some 60+ years later?

TLAM Strike 08-16-10 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by The Third Man (Post 1469404)
Are there still allied troops in Germany, some 60+ years later?

You seriously asking? Have never heard of this place? :roll:

Gerald 08-16-10 02:32 PM

Well ....
 
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Originally Posted by TLAM Strike (Post 1469410)
You seriously asking? Have never heard of this place? :roll:

:haha:

The Third Man 08-16-10 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by TLAM Strike (Post 1469410)
You seriously asking? Have never heard of this place? :roll:


So when John McCain said we may be in Iraq for 50 years it wasn't off base?


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