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OneToughHerring 06-22-10 05:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Zachstar (Post 1425790)
According to various rumors he has handed in his resignation. Good that ought to be minimal for destroying morale among his command by mocking a superior.

If he had just waited till he resigned he would be as free to do as he wants he could sit on fox news and whine all day.

Of course Fox will try to have him on day after day and of course job offerings but like Palin this will peter out as well.

Well that would be one pretty short reign. I remember reading McChrystal's introduction from Newsweek or Time just recently.

It was this one.

Oh well.

Platapus 06-22-10 06:26 PM

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Originally Posted by UnderseaLcpl (Post 1425812)

I don't know whether Gen. McChrystal is a good leader, but I can say for certain that his removal for political reasons will be bad for morale.

When I was in the military, it was my observations that the workers in the military care little about Generals. One is about as good/bad as another. Managerially and from a leadership standpoint, Generals are fungible... they come and they go and the workers keep on working the mission. :salute:

Aramike 06-22-10 07:36 PM

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Originally Posted by August (Post 1425621)
You nailed it Zach.

A Sergeant doesn't bitch about the Captain to the Privates, a Captain doesn't complain about the Colonel to his Sergeants and a General damn sure shouldn't complain about the Commander in Chief, at least not publicly.

While I think you're right, I don't doubt that McChrystal was completely aware of that as well.

As has been stated, I think he's just fed up. I've worked for plenty of completely incompetent bosses in my life, and once I was resigned to my ultimate fate, I never once felt the need to restrain myself.

Obama's administration has been nothing but incompetent, and their decisions would ultimately reflect poorly on the general. So he essentially flipped them off on the way out the door to a nice pension and some lofty senior private position.

thorn69 06-22-10 08:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Zachstar (Post 1425783)
Have a read of the 1st Amendment and note Obama is a civilian.

The Obama christ thing again? So 2008

He's still serving the people of this nation in a public office. He's a servant of the people, by the people, for the people just like a police officer is. He was on duty and talking bad about another citizen. If I did that (I'm a cop btw) what do you think would happen to me? Suspended for 30 days minimum, terminated maximum. Either way, I'd be at home more! :hmmm: Hmmm, I could use a little break to play SH5 some more! That settles it then... The next person I pull over, I'm calling them a "jackass"! :rotfl2:

Ducimus 06-22-10 08:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Platapus (Post 1425846)
When I was in the military, it was my observations that the workers in the military care little about Generals. One is about as good/bad as another. Managerially and from a leadership standpoint, Generals are fungible... they come and they go and the workers keep on working the mission. :salute:

Seriously. Generals are closer akin to politicians anyway for the most part. Just a whole lot of brass and hot air. They come, they go, like a breeze, and so far up the food chain, as to become meaningless in your day to day life.

I think the most meaning a general brought to my existance, was if they came up with a really stupid idea. I think "McPeak" should be entered into the USAF lexicon of unutterable profanity. The ideas that clown had for uniforms is a freaking joke.

edit:
BTW, i think this is the article in question, i'm not sure:
http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/17390/119236

SteamWake 06-22-10 08:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Zachstar (Post 1425790)
According to various rumors he has handed in his resignation. Good that ought to be minimal for destroying morale among his command by mocking a superior.

You do realize that alot of the enlisted agree with the General.

thorn69 06-22-10 11:08 PM

Regardless, McChrystal has a future in 2012 and Obama doesn't. I bet a Republican president will be elected (THANK GOD) and former Gen. McChrystal will be appointed as Joint Chief of Staff.

Zachstar 06-23-10 01:13 AM

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Originally Posted by thorn69 (Post 1425986)
Regardless, McChrystal has a future in 2012 and Obama doesn't. I bet a Republican president will be elected (THANK GOD) and former Gen. McChrystal will be appointed as Joint Chief of Staff.

Good please keep thinking that. What do you think is the ticket? Palin/Mcchrystal? :yeah:

Torvald Von Mansee 06-23-10 04:24 AM

This...well, god, how could a 4 star be so stupid? You don't say this kind of thing anywhere it could come back to haunt you.

OneToughHerring 06-23-10 04:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Torvald Von Mansee (Post 1426072)
This...well, god, how could a 4 star be so stupid? You don't say this kind of thing anywhere it could come back to haunt you.

Could be on purpose. Maybe he wanted to get out of that post, it's not looking particularily bright in the horizon for the war, no big celebration expected at the end of it no matter what happens.

krashkart 06-23-10 04:41 AM

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Originally Posted by OneToughHerring (Post 1426078)
Could be on purpose. Maybe he wanted to get out of that post, it's not looking particularily bright in the horizon for the war, no big celebration expected at the end of it no matter what happens.

Celebration or not, this time there won't be buckets of red paint being thrown on our troops when they disembark from the airplanes. (there better not be :shifty:)

sidslotm 06-23-10 05:02 AM

good men
 
I can't speak for Americans, but in the UK the British soldier has shown the finest qualities, while the British politician has shown the worste. My son has done two tours in Afganistan an two in Iraq, he speaks of the determined commitment of the American soldier as he stood shoulder to shoulder with these fine young men.

All that is needed for evil politicians to succeed is for good men to say nothing. It is in the political quagmire of pride we find the cause why these good men die.

"it is necessary to disagree with all who control your Spirit"

Jimbuna 06-23-10 05:05 AM

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Originally Posted by SteamWake (Post 1425919)
You do realize that alot of the enlisted agree with the General.

I should imagine in many peoples eyes he's more popular than Obama right now.

krashkart 06-23-10 05:31 AM

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Originally Posted by sidslotm (Post 1426115)
I can't speak for Americans, but in the UK the British soldier has shown the finest qualities, while the British politician has shown the worste. My son has done two tours in Afganistan an two in Iraq, he speaks of the determined commitment of the American soldier as he stood shoulder to shoulder with these fine young men.

All that is needed for evil politicians to succeed is for good men to say nothing. It is in the political quagmire of pride we find the cause why these good men die.

"it is necessary to disagree with all who control your Spirit"

My thanks to your son and his buddies, sir. Glad to see an English soldier's perspective about our own troopers, too. Bless 'em all. :salute:

OneToughHerring 06-23-10 05:39 AM

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Originally Posted by sidslotm (Post 1426115)
I can't speak for Americans, but in the UK the British soldier has shown the finest qualities, while the British politician has shown the worste. My son has done two tours in Afganistan an two in Iraq, he speaks of the determined commitment of the American soldier as he stood shoulder to shoulder with these fine young men.

All that is needed for evil politicians to succeed is for good men to say nothing. It is in the political quagmire of pride we find the cause why these good men die.

"it is necessary to disagree with all who control your Spirit"

"Quagmire of pride"? What exactly does that mean in concrete terms? More napalm, less napalm, something else maybe?

Platapus 06-23-10 06:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Ducimus (Post 1425915)
I think the most meaning a general brought to my existance, was if they came up with a really stupid idea. I think "McPeak" should be entered into the USAF lexicon of unutterable profanity. The ideas that clown had for uniforms is a freaking joke.


We do not speak his name! The sooner he-who-must-not-be-named is forgotten the better. Those were some dark times :yep:

Please, let us spare the younglings by not exposing them to HWMNBN! :yep:

Platapus 06-23-10 06:35 AM

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Originally Posted by OneToughHerring (Post 1426078)
Could be on purpose. Maybe he wanted to get out of that post, it's not looking particularily bright in the horizon for the war, no big celebration expected at the end of it no matter what happens.

There may be truth in what you wrote.

If he resigns he can always justify, in his own mind anyway, "This was not my fault

Platapus 06-23-10 06:36 AM

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Originally Posted by sidslotm (Post 1426115)

All that is needed for evil politicians to succeed is for good men to say nothing. It is in the political quagmire of pride we find the cause why these good men die.

Quagmire of Pride?

I like that. Let me apologize in advance to you, for I fully intend on stealing this for some of my briefings. :yeah:

krashkart 06-23-10 06:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Platapus (Post 1426171)
We do not speak his name! The sooner he-who-must-not-be-named is forgotten the better. Those were some dark times :yep:

Please, let us spare the younglings by not exposing them to HWMNBN! :yep:

Did that have something to do with designer uniforms, or was that... dang. I'm gonna have to re-read that book again because the name rings a bell and for the life of me I'm not recalling the story. :-?

Platapus 06-23-10 07:03 AM

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Originally Posted by krashkart (Post 1426188)
Did that have something to do with designer uniforms, or was that... dang. I'm gonna have to re-read that book again because the name rings a bell and for the life of me I'm not recalling the story. :-?

The uniforms were one big part of HWMNBN's problems, but I have never seen such a lowering of morale caused by one General in my entire military career.

It is too late for me, but spare yourself from learning more about HWMNBN.

Read about something more pleasant, say the genocide of the American Indian or something. Anything but HWMNBN


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