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Get that crap out of here. *&$( (#$(* #($()!@( @)(&$#

I'm not losing interest in the game yet, I have slowed down coming to check if the patch has been released yes but I still am quite anxious to start playing.

Which is my issue. I purchased day of release and have not been able to play it as it is simply not worth it. Graphics only go so far and I'd rather play other games than install the many mods needed.

All credit to the modders but their work shouldn't be needed for game fixes.

I can already purchase the game 50% off. UBI has let me down as a consumer and I am VERY angry.

Maybe EA can bring out a subsim so we can decide the lesser of two weavil... evils..

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Originally Posted by Boats (Post 1377444)

Sorry but I'm not niave enough to trust everyone, especially those I don't know. And they really haven't given us a chance to know them through the wruitten word, now have they? It's my training. And I didn't accuse them of anything really, just throwing out a hypothetical question, like evolution.

Don't want to get off topic - but evolution is not a theory - it is a fact. The term "theory" in science means "accepted as fact", not to be confused with the term "theory" in mainstream language which means "hypothesized explanation".

There is no debate about evolution among scientists.

Well, patience is a virtue.

But are you ready to wait forever? No, because that's not normal.
There is, somewhere, a balance between waiting patiently, and expecting a reasonable delivery time. This balance is not the same for everyone.

As for having other things to do, sure, everyone has. But then why bother buying the game in the first place, while we are at it?
Probably because people wanted to play and enjoy it? Certainly not because they wanted to do other things.

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Originally Posted by SabreHawk (Post 1377896)

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Originally Posted by John Channing

The essence of a good Sub Commander?
Patience.

The voice of wisdom,............and reason speaks. And speaks well.

Come on fellas, dont tell me you haven't anything else to do.
And if you truly do not, well you dont want the answer to that.

Knowing what the delay is NOT about is already a small piece of information. It's more than just nothing.

Would be more interesting to know what it is about, true, but when you can't....

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Originally Posted by robbo180265 (Post 1377603)

Then why bring it up at all?

This thread is rather insane. I'm playing Arma 2 until the patch is released, and it's done wonders for my computer play time. It'll get here when it gets here, what can ya do?

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Originally Posted by tonschk (Post 1377988)

Sorry about this off topic but I cannot avoid answer this ......

On 911 The World Trade Center was controlled demolished disintegrated with plenty of explosives installed inside the whole buildings , therefore the 911 World Trade Center was a inside job , the explosions are self evident from the videos and photos

tonschk I have some more news for you, but keep it quiet... NASA never really walked on the moon, it was all filmed in hollywood! It was all actors man, actors! Also aliens are living in The White house and they've been advising the U.S. president since 1955, who do you think's been making all the big decisions man! The aliens that's who!
I also strongly believe that earth is not really round, it's flat. I'll post some pics of the flat earth to prove it, I have many.

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Originally Posted by tonschk (Post 1377988)

Those grainy images prove nothing other than that 'the WTC collapsed'.
They dont prove it was cordite (consipricy) and they dont prove it was a pancake collapes (official) either.
This sort of thing belongs in the GT forums anyway.

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Originally Posted by IanC (Post 1378045)

I KNEW it!!!
All the pieces finally fit into place...
Who was saying something about evolution? Hah! Yeah right!

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Originally Posted by Westbroek (Post 1378048)

I KNEW it!!!
All the pieces finally fit into place...
Who was saying something about evolution? Hah! Yeah right!

Exactly my friend! Here's proof that the Earth is flat.

http://img571.imageshack.us/img571/8086/img1a.jpg

:haha:

Excellent! :up:

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Originally Posted by IanC (Post 1378051)

Exactly my friend! Here's proof that the Earth is flat.

http://img571.imageshack.us/img571/8086/img1a.jpg

1188 Architectural and Engineering professionals think on 911 actually the World Trade Center was Controlled Demolished and Disintegrated with Explosives planted inside the WTC buildings , george bush with the help of the israeli Mossad planned orchestrated and executed on 911 the WTC controlled demolitions disintegrations explosions

http://cms.ae911truth.org/

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Originally Posted by PurpleCity (Post 1378004)

If your are going to correct someone do it with facts. Evolution as it applies to the human origins, isn't accepted as fact. Although nearly so.

You make it sound like this but it is not.

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Scientific Law: This is a statement of fact meant to describe, in concise terms, an action or set of actions. It is generally accepted to be true and universal, and can sometimes be expressed in terms of a single mathematical equation. Scientific laws are similar to mathematical postulates. They don’t really need any complex external proofs; they are accepted at face value based upon the fact that they have always been observed to be true.

Specifically, scientific laws must be simple, true, universal, and absolute. They represent the cornerstone of scientific discovery, because if a law ever did not apply, then all science based upon that law would collapse.

Some scientific laws, or laws of nature, include the law of gravity, Newton's laws of motion, the laws of thermodynamics, Boyle's law of gases, the law of conservation of mass and energy, and Hook’s law of elasticity.

Of course what you are trying to argue against is that it belongs here.

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Hypothesis: This is an educated guess based upon observation. It is a rational explanation of a single event or phenomenon based upon what is observed, but which has not been proved. Most hypotheses can be supported or refuted by experimentation or continued observation.

It is actually better defined by this.

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Theory: A theory is more like a scientific law than a hypothesis. A theory is an explanation of a set of related observations or events based upon proven hypotheses and verified multiple times by detached groups of researchers. One scientist cannot create a theory; he can only create a hypothesis.

In general, both a scientific theory and a scientific law are accepted to be true by the scientific community as a whole. Both are used to make predictions of events. Both are used to advance technology.

In fact, some laws, such as the law of gravity, can also be theories when taken more generally. The law of gravity is expressed as a single mathematical expression and is presumed to be true all over the universe and all through time. Without such an assumption, we can do no science based on gravity's effects. But from the law, we derived the theory of gravity which describes how gravity works,what causes it, and how it behaves. We also use that to develop another theory, Einstein's General Theory of Relativity, in which gravity plays a crucial role. The basic law is intact, but the theory expands it to include various and complex situations involving space and time.

The biggest difference between a law and a theory is that a theory is much more complex and dynamic. A law describes a single action, whereas a theory explains an entire group of related phenomena.

An analogy can be made using a slingshot and an automobile.

A scientific law is like a slingshot. A slingshot has but one moving part--the rubber band. If you put a rock in it and draw it back, the rock will fly out at a predictable speed, depending upon the distance the band is drawn back.

An automobile has many moving parts, all working in unison to perform the chore of transporting someone from one point to another point. An automobile is a complex piece of machinery. Sometimes, improvements are made to one or more component parts. A new set of spark plugs that are composed of a better alloy that can withstand heat better, for example, might replace the existing set. But the function of the automobile as a whole remains unchanged.

A theory is like the automobile. Components of it can be changed or improved upon, without changing the overall truth of the theory as a whole.

Some scientific theories include the theory of evolution, the theory of relativity, the atomic theory, and the quantum theory. All of these theories are well documented and proved beyond reasonable doubt. Yet scientists continue to tinker with the component hypotheses of each theory in an attempt to make them more elegant and concise, or to make them more all-encompassing. Theories can be tweaked, but they are seldom, if ever, entirely replaced.

A theory is developed only through the scientific method, meaning it is the final result of a series of rigorous processes. Note that theories do not become laws. Scientific laws must exist prior to the start of using the scientific method because, as stated earlier, laws are the foundation for all science. Here is an oversimplified example of the development of a scientific theory:

Science class dismissed!
:know:

Rip

Hm, I came in here to discuss the upcoming patch......Did I hit a wrong button?:hmmm:

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Originally Posted by tonschk (Post 1378094)

1188 Architectural and Engineering professionals think ...

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And who the **** are they and why I should care about them?

Man, I'm also bored waiting for the patch, but not that much :haha:

Whilst all of our replies are conjecture - I do believe and sincerely hope that UBI have decided to actually address the product issues with a decent patch.
After all SH5 and AC2 are the so called flag ship games of their new DRM system - and the DRM system is already taking too much flak - possibly in the case of SH5 because the game is so buggy.

What better way to help smooth the water (ahem) than to at least fix the game issues?

My 2 cents on the DRM - never had an issue with it and understand why such steps have to be taken....I believe we will see a lot more advanced DRM systems come our way in future games - but it will not go away.

What I would like to see is a 'fixed' game. I hope that is what UBI want to see too.

WM
OBD Software

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Originally Posted by Winders (Post 1378118)

Regarding DRM - I was talking to one of the Directors of the company I work at the other day (we develop software for the telecomms industry) We make our users put a dongle in their servers to allow our software to run. Interestingly enough, he said that in an ideal world we'd have an 'always on internet' solution where the remote software polled our licence server to ensure that it hasn't been stolen. Funnily enough our customers object (surprise, eh?) but I can see the point. If a rogue employee of one of our customers is able to steal the dongle, reverse engineer it and find out how to produce copies (and to be fair, it would be fairly easy to do). Then they'd be able to distribute out software around the world, thus losing the company money. If the company I work for loses money, suddenly people start losing jobs - Thats all this DRM system is, its a company wanting to protect their interests, I don't agree with it personally, I think there are better solutions. But I'd much rather a DRM solution, than a job centre solution!

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Originally Posted by Westbroek (Post 1378033)

It'll get here when it gets here, what can ya do?

Not much, apart from more speculation, hypotheticals and the usual "what ifs". Oh, and did i mention conjecture?

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Originally Posted by severniae (Post 1378109)

Hm, I came in here to discuss the upcoming patch......Did I hit a wrong button?:hmmm:

Could easily be mistaken for something other than the upcoming patch...

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Originally Posted by Winders (Post 1378118)

Whilst all of our replies are conjecture - I do believe and sincerely hope that UBI have decided to actually address the product issues with a decent patch.

Indeed, all conjecture...so what is there to do?
Hypothesize even more? Speculate some more? Pose more what-ifs?
I cannot wait until the patch is out.
Not only because it will improve gameplay and address issues, but it will lighten the load on this server, having to deal with the saturation of Speculatives and Hypotheticals of some thread contents.
To address the O.P.'s question directly:
"Why is the patch taking so long"?
Who knows. I don't know the answer to that.

if they're happy to alienate legitimate customers by enforcing always-connected-to-internet DRM, i'm not going to lose any sleep if they're out of work due to minimal sales.

dongle is fine, its portable. if it gets cracked, issue update to game + dongle firmware in next update/patch.

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Originally Posted by SeamanStaines (Post 1378140)

You can't blame the devs for this. It won't have been their decision to create the DRM. Its like saying that you should lose your job because one of the execs in your company made a controversial decision!

Plus, you have to remember that the DRM to be honest was never about stopping people pirating the game, its about stopping second hand sales. They want all the money from each Ubi game sold, if its sold second hand they get nothing. While I'm completely against it, I can see where they're coming from! DRM won't ever be removed until the Ubi execs consider that SHV has reached the end of its shelf life, don't delude yourself into thinking that it will be removed at any other stage.

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Originally Posted by severniae (Post 1378164)

who is blaming the devs?

where did i suggest it will be removed in the future?