So what if they are in a fix. People here since SH II wanted UBI to listen, never happened.
Somehow they got close to lucky with SH III and the GWX team was able to work it out to a very very decent sim.
What I can't understand is why my ancient CAoD could have wolfpacks and attacks and this game never can.
UBI, damn it, there were wolfpacks in WW II!:arrgh!:

Even without:
The bugs,
Required internet conection,
No Type IIs or IXs,
No war end,
I just don't see SH5 as being in the same league with SH3.
So, UBI can keep SH5, and I can keep my money.
No problems & no complaints.

As anyone should know by now, never by the version 1.0 of anything, especially not a silent hunter edition.

Besides, most people will need two years to get around to getting a better computer anyway, so they probably can't do justice to it right now.

I just got around to playing SH3 a few months ago. I'll get around to SH5 by 2012-14. By then, it should be running smooth.

You make some very good points about interaction between officers and crew. The armed forces usually doesn't encourage too much fraternizing between officers and the lower ranks. Preserving a level of distance between the commander and his officers (and, in turn, between the officers as a whole & the men) was considered vital. In fact, on some vessels the commander wasn't even allowed to enter the officer's mess without an invitation. IIRC on American subs petty officers basically acted as the crews' representatives, bringing to the Captain's attention any major personal problems that needed to be dealt with. Although there were exceptions, I bet most enlisted men wouldn't dream of baring their souls to the commanding officer; likewise, the CO rarely considered himself a "shoulder to cry on."

In Silent Hunter 5, it also doesn't help that the implementation of "personal elements" is shockingly poor. Particularly for a feature that was trumpeted as a grand "innovation" setting SH5 from its predecessors. As you've probably noticed, dialogue sound files are clipped, the men rarely make eye contact, spin around randomly, and even turn their backs when they're speaking with you. Plus they constantly "ghost" through solid objects. Strange how older games like "Freelancer" show adequate collision detection/animation of human figures, whereas Ubisoft botched these aspects so spectacularly more than half a decade later.

I guess the overall reason SH5 doesn't appeal to me is this.:
I'm much more interested in how the boat behaves, than how the crew and I interact.

The good crew interaction from SH3 isn't even included in SH5!?:
"Depth under keel is 2 5 meters."
"Depth is 1 0 0 meters."
"New course 2 7 0."
"Nearest warship sound contact at 1 4 0. Movind slow. Closing. Medium range."
"Nearest viual contact at 3 3 1. 1200 meters."

Navigation, Ship Handling, Torpedo Targeting, and Gunnery all seem to be a joke in SH5.

It doesn't appear that any of the devs have ever been to sea, or done any military time at all.
The result is an RPG Joke, with no basis in reality at all.

And I thought this was only for Paradox games...

That's an offical position. However, from my experience as flight crew on us navy P3 Orion aircraft, during missions these types of formalities would drop pretty much completely. We didn't fraternize MUCH outside that environment, although at times when we were overseas, enlisted and officers would dine and even drink together, depending on the situation. I'm not sure how that equates to uboat life, as we had a max crew of 12. :hmmm:

When I was in the US Army officers were seperated from EM even at the mess hall. The only exceptions were Special Forces units that had to work VERY closely together. There rank disappeared WHEN ON THE MISSION. Back at base camp you had Officers Mess, Officers Club, and Officers Quarters. And no EM was allowed in ANY of them.

Those who bought SH5 and managed to play ,bitch
Those who bought SH5 and cant connect to Ubi, bitch
Isn't that a perfect loop? :D

And those who do not even have it bitch too, because they foresaw it all.
:D

I get your point, sure formalities get thrown out the window when you are doing a job with a certain number of persons. But after that job is done, formalities kick back in.

On another point, why the hell do you have to run to hand out the orders (if you don't use keyboard's shortcut keys)??? they had some "crude" communications system throughout the boat... or people would actually relay the command...

I'll wait untill it gets GOLD (aka in 5 years time)... with no DRM shyte and all patched and best of all fully moded... well if UBI doesn't go busted before that. ;)

just for the record!

(I totally agree) :D

What on earth are the developers thinking ?!
 

The one thing that utterly repulses me from what I have read so far is the need to be constantly online!,just to play it? well,I removed my internet connection from my main gaming PC in order to use my laptop solely for going online etc.
Graphically SH5 obviously looks superior to its predecessors but this online neccessity is an outrage! :stare: ,together with the silly RPG element which could spoil it too.And I am sure I read somewhere that there will only be the type VIIs featured in the game?,right ok,whatever,i'm sure that will sit well with a lot of you :shifty:
Someone correct me if i'm wrong here.
End of the day,I couldnt give 2 sh##s about SH5,SH3 with GWX3 is all I need,and thats that.Too much eye candy and zero game/experience doesnt work for me,sorry.And it seems to be a popular trend with a lot of games these days.

With you 100% Paul! :up:

In combat, the captain is either in the control room, the conning tower, or on the bridge, depending on the type of attack (or evasion). He should never have a reason to anywhere else until the fight is over. All orders are issued from one of those stations.

And I desperately want to play this game, but won't buy it until the internet requirement is gone.

Agree with Paul, but then I'm a freak for gameplay and care little for eye candy, even though I appreciate it. Was waiting for SH5 after skipping SH4(not interested in Pacific unless I can be Jap:)), and instead of getting it, I reinstalled SH3. Been out of the loop a while though. Don't know what mods to use.

Bought SH3 took a while, but I learned a lot from it. GWX greatly improvrd it and the multitude of mods has made a superb experience.

Bought SH4 loaded tried to play, but computer would not run it. Stored on shelf. Bought new laptop, SH4 runs OK, but I still play SH3.

Bought SH5, tried to load on laptop---it met specs, but would not load prpperly, and would not connect to servers. Then servers went down, then I read a eyeful of complaints --most justified. Removed SH5 from computer, put on shelf next to SH4. Continue to play SH3.

I expect that I will be playing well into the future. I want just once to get through the war. Been playing for 3 years ---Bernards shadow is constantly looking over my shoulder. I havn't made it past early 1942 yet. Playing 100% realism.

Hope to buy a new desk top in the next few months. I may take another look at SH5 just for ****s and grins, but I expect I will not be playing until they work out the bugs, hopefully do away with DRM.

Brer Rabbit

Well i am one of the numptys that bought SHV and totally regret it summing it up this game is more for console players then serious pc sim fans. Biggest example i can give is no more flank speed oh no now we have "extreme" speed i mean wtf no one ever in the history of naval warfare has ever referred to it as extreme speed. This is putting aside the internet shenanigans which don't even get me started on that as it just produces anger of a level i rarely ever feel. At first i looked on the drm as a bit of a saviour so many times i have bought games and been ridiculed by my friends none of whom i think knows how to buy a game and i thought "aha got you this time" but on the day i bought it i went and visited a friend and wollah he had the game on his pc and wasn't losing his damn saves like i was.

This game has no soul it is eye candy semi wrapped in a sim coating and all you really get is some flashy gfx and not much else. Maybe it will be good in a few years if the modders bother with it which i am not sure they will when they have SHIII as a perfect platform for modding now. I have gone back to 3 and gwx and it is just superior on every level that matters and is a hell of a lot more fun then 5 ever was in the short few days i constantly palyed it. I think limiting the game to type 7's only was also a mistake as was the whole gameplay 3 challenges you and makes you think 5 is basically a go there shoot up that and move onto another area hell i sunk the same convoy four times on one patrol just by leaving the area and then going back to it.

If your thinking of buying 5 don't waste your time or your money buy 3 and download gwx3 you will get a fantastic experience for less money and it will reward your time playing it none of that can be said for 5 in anyway at all.

I am back cleaning ashtrays at BDU. I should have a new PC in the next few weeks. I've decided not to even go to the SHV side. It's too depressing.

Depressing to hear how bad the game is
Depressing to see people bamboozled into buying DRM then not being able to connect, log in, save, etc.

I also feel sorry for the Devs, who are more than capable of developing a good game.