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Originally Posted by Mush Martin

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Originally Posted by August

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Originally Posted by Mush Martin

Democracy should guarantee freedom from religion in the public forum.
Not freedom of it.
Religion is a personal choice and should be kept
in your personal residence.

jmo shoot me if you really feel the need.

M

So I assume by that you'd refuse religions the right to peaceful assembly right? Maybe make wearing a crucifix or a star of david in public a crime? This whole Skybird concept of forcing folks he doesn't like to keep out his eyesight is as wrong as the worst of organized religions excesses, imo of course.

Nope just saying it should be at your house

But neither of our houses are in the public forum Mush.

To achieve your desire for "freedom from religion in the public forum" that means no Yalmukas or Tilakas or Crucifixes or Sikh turbans allowed to be worn in public. Churches, mosques, temples, either banned out right or at very least stripped of all outside markings and closed to public access. No religious festivals like our local favorite the Feast of St. Rocco, no Christmas lights...

You just cannot erase all sign of religion from the public eye and, imo, to try to do so is to go against the wishes of the great majority of people on this planet.

Fair and granted, this has long represented an obstacle to my
totalitarian domination of earth.:rotfl:

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Originally Posted by Letum

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My freedom ends where I start to limit the freedom of others.

I certainly agree with that.

And how's it with "the freedom of others end where they start to limit mine"?

as Sailor Steve put it some months ago so very elegantly: "I have no problem with somebody who does not raise a problem to me."

I tolerate others if they do not try, intend or press me to change myself in their favour, and if they tolerate me in all my difference to themselves.

it's a good rule of thumb to give others the level of tolerance they show towards you, and mirror their intolerance if they do not tolerate you. I love that kind of reciprocity. It does not always save you from conflict and sometimes sees you in the need to fight off the other, but that is okay. Different to the impression politicians sometimes raise, mankind is not all a great happy family, and there are people who simply wish us bad and look forward to seeing us fall, to raise themselves that way.

For everything you need to learn about tolerance try marriage.

its one half tolerating the other party and one half learning to
curb your own more noxious behaviours in good faith for good
balance.

M

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Originally Posted by Mush Martin

Amen!

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Originally Posted by August

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Originally Posted by Mush Martin

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Originally Posted by August

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Nope just saying it should be at your house

Not to touch on it too much but consider........

all things evolve road systems shopping malls spiders planets stars
the only necessary ingredient is time.

So as with moralities evolving from middle eastern villages to Gene therapy
clinics, so also will likely, the organizations that are "Churches" or religions.

So "The Church's" will likely someday take a lesson from buisness anyway
and convert there assets to higher margined diversified funds while they
give up their properties eventually of their own volition and start outsourcing their facilities, for all the advantages that represents.
sooner or later you will just rent the local mega dome every sunday
because its cheaper than building st peters. the architechturaly fashionable Catherdral/Mosque/temple Built for glorification, will in the far future yeild
to the needs of go forth and multiply.

assuming we figure out the food thing :rotfl:

[edit] I feel in someways that would be sad
some of the most beautiful buildings Ive ever
seen were built for that purpose.

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Originally Posted by Stealth Hunter

Evangelicals, Scientologists, and Mormons are all basically cultists (though I like the Mormons the most since they don't obstruct a lot of freedoms, like what you can read, what you can think, etc.).

Which branch are you referring to, the "Reformed Latter Day Saints" (the ones with multiple wives) or the more mainstream Church of Jesus of Latter Day Saints?

The reformers, although they're both kooky in my book.:lol:

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Which branch are you referring to, the "Reformed Latter Day Saints" (the ones with multiple wives) or the more mainstream Church of Jesus of Latter Day Saints?

The reformers, although they're both kooky in my book.:lol:

Well, just don't turn down the aid they'll (not the reformers) more than likely send your way in case of a natural disaster (at no charge to anyone, including the taxpayers).:D

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Originally Posted by Skybird

none of the cults being mentiponed here compares to scientology in it'S aggressiveness by which it tries to penetrate into big business and education while now hiding it's identity at the same time to evade any flak. Compared to that, JW and some local churches are dilletants. Scientology is a business corproation, and it sells people their own financial exploitation, brainwashing and psychic rape.

That so many fall for this diabolic deal tells us something about the failure of our own mainstream culture and it's real attractiveness. Some fall for scientology sect, because our societies cannot offer them what their mind is yearning for: managable salvation, a causal string of deeds that guarantees spritual freedom and happiness: the heaven in reach of your own hands, if only you reach for it motivated enough. Others see in it fulfilled the promise of living the ideals of our competition-oriented mainstream culture: to become powerful and priviliged in knowledge and by that earn more money at the end than what one has invested. Usually, the latter are few and the first are many, and the latter live from the first.

In the end, both end as fish hanging from lines.

Skybird is right. Its not about other religions. Its about how Scientology practices is believe on others. One thing to wave a cross freely. Another is waving when a noose is around you neck.

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I think a little differently about this issue. I think religions act as a group rather than as individual things. You see this especially when looking at the heads of different religions voting on issues in different venues, for example about issues concerning religions in countries. Interestingly, it will be important to see how different religions feel about Scientology, I think they may hold the key to really getting rid of that sect.

Unfortunately, religions tend to act together rather than against each other, especially in the modern world where scientific thinking is lessening the hold that religion holds on societies.

However, I firmly believe that tolerance must be exhibited by both parties in order for it to work.

It is unfair to expect side"A" to be tolerant of side "B", while at the same time side "B"is not equally tolerant of side "A".

SH, the two you describe are most likely Mormons on their mission. Pretty harmless for the most part. I've dealt with baptists, lutherans, episcolpaleans(sp), hinduists, jews, muslims, catholics, eastern orthodox, mormons, jw's, scientologists, wiccans and some other freaky deakies, and I must say, I'll deal with santeria or voudoun any day of the week. They seem to be the most grounded in reality :rotfl:

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Maybe I'll get a cult together of worshippers who follow the writings of Howard Phillips Lovecraft and the Cthulhu Mythos... yes... I'll name it the Esoteric Order and Church of Dagon.

You know, others where already 'there and have done that':
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Agor...ous/grant1.gif

-> http://user.cyberlink.ch/~koenig/lam.htm

YouTube videos have been restored.

http://www.thestandard.com/news/2008...tology-content

-S