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XLjedi 09-11-08 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by antikristuseke
No rush, im just curious, will give me something to strive for on the rifle range when my military service starts :)

What? You gonna be a sniper?

I don't know if they're still handing out M1's to infantry.
Any idea what rifle you're gonna be issued?

30-06 isn't the flatest shooting round at distance.
Those 22 caliber assault carbines are a bit of a different animal.

Puster Bill 09-11-08 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by aaronblood
A cost-benefit analysis has never crossed my mind. If it was something that concerned me, I doubt I would've picked a $1300 rifle/scope.

I guess if you're gonna look at it that way you need to start with, "What would you have to pay for a reasonable rifle that will be able to take large game?" I think you could easily get by with something in the $500-$600 range (or lower, what's a Remington 770 selling for these days $300?).

There is an added cost (at least for me) associated with processing the meat. I'll field dress it, but a butcher is going to be carving the steaks and grinding the meat. That processing might cost somewhere in the $0.40/lb (US) range.

Might be interesting to look at it that way... total up all your hunting costs and divide it by the cost of lean ground beef to determine how many deer it will take to break even. :hmm:

I've done that analysis, and hunting is indeed a good deal, even if you get the meat processed.

This of course assumes that you don't buy a new rifle every year.

It's even better if you use a flintlock. I can get my 'cost per shot' down in the $0.15 to $0.20 range. Try finding centerfire hunting ammo for $4 a box.

http://img236.imageshack.us/img236/6...niflint4pm.jpg

/Them new-fangled persuction guns is a fad.

antikristuseke 09-11-08 11:19 AM

Well, at first im going to be issued an AK-4, basicaly a licence built H&K G3, they are lovingly known as boat paddles in the Estonian Defence Forces :D. If i get picked for designated marksman training I would be issued the Galatz rifle most likely if not it should be issued with the Galil AR.
So in reality the likelyhood of me getting anywhere close to a hunting rifle on the range are slim to none, but a challenge is allways good.

XLjedi 09-11-08 11:40 AM

Well that's at least a comparable caliber to a 30-06...

Gonna be a real challenge for you though with an iron site at 100 yds. I think I'm gonna have a hefty advantage here.

I'm gonna be sitting comfortably on a shaded bench with a gun rest and 9x scope when I take my shots. You're gonna be laying on your belly using a rock or dirt mound and squinting at a tiny target through an iron site.

I'll be very impressed if you can even keep your groups inside of 5 inches.

Happy Times 09-11-08 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by antikristuseke
Well, at first im going to be issued an AK-4, basicaly a licence built H&K G3, they are lovingly known as boat paddles in the Estonian Defence Forces :D. If i get picked for designated marksman training I would be issued the Galatz rifle most likely if not it should be issued with the Galil AR.
So in reality the likelyhood of me getting anywhere close to a hunting rifle on the range are slim to none, but a challenge is allways good.

Dont you have Sako TRG-42 for snipers, or are those reserved only for the cadre?
To who are the Galils reserved for?
So your counting the days now, i think its going to be a cold winter this time.:p :up:

XLjedi 09-11-08 12:23 PM

You know I wish HK would sell a civilian model HK416, I'd love to buy one of those...

antikristuseke 09-11-08 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Happy Times
Dont you have Sako TRG-42 for snipers, or are those reserved only for the cadre?
To who are the Galils reserved for?
So your counting the days now, i think its going to be a cold winter this time.:p :up:

The Sako might be in use with the Scouts batalion, but as far as i know they use the M14-TP as their designated marksmans rifle. The Galil is the standard service rifle for our defence forces, but the AK4 is primeraly used for training during the first three months.
And yes, im counting the days now, will go to an assembly point at 9:00 on the 29th of september and from there we get on busses and head to battalion, for me thats pretty much the most distance town in Estonia from where I live. As for the winter, it is the coldest point in estonia during winter so it should be fun if we have a proper winter instead of the mockery of a winter that was this/last year.

I live at the red dot on the map and the battalion I'll be serving in is located near Vőru, at the bottom right hand corner of Estonia

Quote:

Originally Posted by aaronblood
You know I wish HK would sell a civilian model HK416, I'd love to buy one of those...

Personaly I'd love to get my hands on a G36

XLjedi 09-11-08 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by antikristuseke
Personaly I'd love to get my hands on a G36

Really? ...seems to me like the 416 is a step up.

antikristuseke 09-11-08 01:16 PM

For special forces use, I'd agree with you, but as a battle rifle for standard infantry the G36 seems a better pick for me. Which is the role i was thinking of when making that pick, on a lesser note, the G36 looks sexy :lol:

XLjedi 09-25-08 04:43 PM

OK, as requested, here are some pics of my first range outing with the new X-Bolt.

http://xl-logic.com/pics/hobby/Range_01.JPG
So after some initial sighting in at 50 yds I set my target down range at the 100yd mark. As you can see at the top of the picture, I'm in lane 8 which is the third target from the left.

http://xl-logic.com/pics/hobby/Range_03.JPG
That's my gray chair there in lane 8...

http://xl-logic.com/pics/hobby/Range_04.JPG
There's my truck... you can see the rest of the range facility in the background, not too fancy. You can see the clay shooting lanes behind the clubhouse (the double-wide trailer) back there to the left.

http://xl-logic.com/pics/hobby/Range_05.JPG
Walking down the range toward my 100yd targets... mine is on the left.
http://xl-logic.com/pics/hobby/Range_06.JPG
Looking back toward the shooting area, you can see the back of the 50yd targets.

http://xl-logic.com/pics/hobby/Range_07.JPG
Here's another picture of my new X-Bolt 30-06. The Caldwell Lead Sled it's sitting in is awesome. I love that thing! Using two bags of 25lb lead shot for leverage.

http://xl-logic.com/pics/hobby/Range_08.JPG
This was my first attempt at 100yds after initial sighting at 50yds. That stray shot I think was my first shot and then we adjusted the scope a few clicks for the other shots.

http://xl-logic.com/pics/hobby/Range_09.JPG
This was better. I didn't make any scope adjustments on any of these. The rifle shoots great! I think that one shot there that's low 2" was most likely my fault. I'm still trying to get a feel for trigger pull. I think next time I may lighten the pull a bit. I think it comes from the factory set for 3 to 3.5 pounds.

http://xl-logic.com/pics/hobby/Range_10.JPG
I posted two targets during my last round, so this was my next 6 shots after my first 5 above and I think the hotter barrel was starting to have an effect. But still, I was very happy to have my last 11 shots all fall within a 4" diameter at 100yds. That should be sufficient to kill any deer I come across in October.

I shot 40 rounds in total... you guys got to see the last 18.

Happy Times 09-25-08 04:49 PM

Looks just like finland, maybe less trees.:D

Platapus 09-25-08 05:00 PM

That is some good shootin at 100 yards. :up:

antikristuseke 09-25-08 05:07 PM

You deffinately didnt set the bar low for me:up::lol:

Edit: 1,000th post, woohoo

RickC Sniper 09-25-08 08:54 PM

3 to 3.5 pounds is pretty reasonable for a hunting rifle. If you did comepetetive shooting I'd maybe agree with lightening that, but in the field sighting game you have an adrenaline rush that might make a lighter pull a bit risky.

A very nice bench, but how do you properly shoulder the rifle and get a sight picture with all that added padding behind the stock? Just curios.

JHuschke 09-25-08 09:03 PM

Very nice! You will kill a game animal, whichever your hunting with no doubt! I hope it works out well..I still use my old but still looking brand new .270 Custom Bolt Action Rifle. Every buck I have shot at, never missed. :rock:

.270 Bolt-Action custom
http://i282.photobucket.com/albums/k...omRiflejpg.jpg


Tasco 3-9x40
http://i282.photobucket.com/albums/k...asco3-9x40.jpg


Scope Eye prtctr Haha..I use to have this on to keep me from getting scope eyes :dead:
http://i282.photobucket.com/albums/k...EyeProtctr.jpg

claybirdd 09-25-08 09:31 PM

go with a 180 grain soft point. best knock down round for the 30-06. (I own a remington 700ADL ) so I know from experience. Also I hate having to track down the deer I just shot.

XLjedi 09-26-08 07:01 AM

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Originally Posted by claybirdd
go with a 180 grain soft point. best knock down round for the 30-06. (I own a remington 700ADL ) so I know from experience. Also I hate having to track down the deer I just shot.

Price jumps up quite a bit when stepping from 150 to 180 (or even 165, the 150 seems to be a significant price point). I took the shots above with Remington Core-Lokt Pointed soft point 150gr. Which is what I'll probably be hunting with this season.

XLjedi 09-26-08 07:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RickC Sniper
3 to 3.5 pounds is pretty reasonable for a hunting rifle. If you did comepetetive shooting I'd maybe agree with lightening that, but in the field sighting game you have an adrenaline rush that might make a lighter pull a bit risky.

A very nice bench, but how do you properly shoulder the rifle and get a sight picture with all that added padding behind the stock? Just curios.

I don't seem to have any trouble. The picture is a little deceiving though. There's actually very little padding there, it's more like just a leather cover so the stock doesn't get scuffed. There's a solid metal back plate and the cover is more protection for the rifle than my shoulder. The kick is pretty much non-existent with all that added weight, I don't even have to seat it on my shoulder. I can just lay my cheek on the stock and reach around and pull the trigger.

It's a good question though. Since I didn't take any shots with it out of the sled, I may not have it properly sighted for my shoulder. Although, it's kinda marketed specifically for sighting rifles. I imagine I would've come across a few people that mention it sights hi/lo while in the device. I'll have to take a few shots without it next time and see...

jumpy 09-26-08 01:00 PM

Thought you may be interested in this:

http://img372.imageshack.us/img372/4...agnosisel5.png


It's a rough copy of the diagnostic chart used by british police advanced marksman.

enjoy your boom-stick ;)

XLjedi 09-26-08 01:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jumpy
Thought you may be interested in this:

http://img372.imageshack.us/img372/4...agnosisel5.png


It's a rough copy of the diagnostic chart used by british police advanced marksman.

enjoy your boom-stick ;)

Yes! ...very helpful, thank you. :up:


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