I remember the sub attacking. I think you have to get out of there at that point. If you don't make it in time, you die. You probably went down the wrong path.

And yes, he is talking about Falcon 4 AF. I did a couple video's myself on that one:

Ramp Start - http://www.veoh.com/videos/v141964342dXZjwFA

Dodging SAM's - http://www.veoh.com/videos/v1243432BJSkrk7p

Suprised by a contact on my RADAR that I didn't expect - Turned out to be a Juicy bomber. Only had Sidewinders this mission - http://www.veoh.com/videos/v1029789T9qcshHS

I didn't go down the wrong path though. I watched a video on youtube where the guy beat it. I did exactly the same. It's just that the game decides to kill me at an exact same spot every time. Right toward the end of the run before you use the charm on the thingy.

Falcon 4.0 and Falcon AF are realllllly close to the same game but they aren't. Falcon 4.0 is older and isn't the "Falcon 4.5" that AF is but 4.0 has the benefit of having the "Open Falcon" modification community which has basically gone to town on the old bird for some very impressive results. It's waaay updated. IL-2 is really cool except that the campaign is very... eastern european developer'd. Falcon is more like a war sim with a flight sim attached instead of the other way around. You could play a very interesting game without ever getting in the cockpit and thus the generated content is a little better feeling. I like how IL-2 flies and the Falcon 4.0 world.

Find/Buy Falcon 4.0 and get OpenFalcon. You'll like it muuuch better than AF.

Coop. Dear lord that's the most fun part of multiplay. Using AI as the other side lets you have things you can't have against humans, like they don't complain about bad odds, they are actually surprised by a surprise attack, they calmly walk patrols unalerted. You can actually make a plan and execute some tactics. PvP is generally so fast and deadly that it's a straight TDM and any sneaking, teamplay or tactics go out the window.

Coop seems to be very low on a dev's list but it's up near #1 on mine. The magazine reviews always say "The coop was cut at the last minute but there's deathmatch for up to 20 people!" And I think... might as well not release it. Try SWAT4 or H&D2 Sabre Squadron for some good squad coops. There's an OK coop mod for AvP2. Valve's Left 4 Dead is a very 4-person coop type of game which means it'll be enjoyable. I wish they had periods of "slow tension" between all the fast zombie bits. Sadly it's GOGOGO-quake-fast but besides that looks golden.

Doom and RPGs don't have to be realistic to be good, just sensible. I mean the three-days-till-retirement cop doesn't have to die every time ironically, the WWII private doesn't have to catch a sniper bullet mid-conversation, and a lot of other cliches. OMG, just as I got past this bit of corridor a big boss smashed thorugh the wall!! What are the odds of that perfect timing!? *save, reload* Oh...

hah! When you can't use the mouse right? I hate that crap:lol:


Just looked up a little on OpenFalcon. Sounds and looks amazing. Been watching videos on youtube and find myself, once again, mumbling about needing a trackir.


AH yes, I forgot about Swat 4. That was a lot of fun. I loved all the shouting and shocking. Had fun popping cuffed perps with that bean bag shotty just for kicks. Sigh, they never did make a 5 did they?

Arma is probably a lot of fun coop, but nobody I know wanted to get into it. I'm having trouble thinking of any recent releases that had a coop feature. Oh god my mind just started wandering and I imagined coop Oblivion. Some extra enemies spawns and increased difficulty would be neat, like when players are increased in Diablo 2. Are there any coop RPGs? I don't mean mmo games. hmm looking at my games the only ones seem to be of the hack n' slash variety.

I have had mixed feelings about Left 4 Dead. First and foremost I was excited by the concept. I love zombies and survival horror. I learned more about it eventually and saw the videos and was a little disappointed with the fast pacing, quick game style of play. I was secretly hoping for some tough coop campaign through a zombie infested city. I dunno, I guess I was imagining some sort of coop Resident Evil or something. Still, doesn't mean that it can't be fun.

Oh yea, I agree. IL2 has a crappy campaign. I did however find myself enjoying some downloaded user made ones.

LoL, many of those games do have a similar way. Like the Cossacks series and all the other games that use that engine. Lackluster campaigns. From now on they shall be described as this.

ps. Been thinking about getting Umbrella Chronicles on the Wii with a couple of blasters. Still wishing Thief 4 will include coop play.

Swat 4 was probably my favorite tactical shooter-type game since Rogue Spear. Particularly liked the creepy warrant service on the old apartment building the weird cult had taken up residence in...

I have the original Falcon 4.0 - In the big spiral bound manual to go with! I'll have to see if Open Falcon gives me anything over AF. I haven't seen anything out of the community that would suggest as much. I see some better looking explosions, and slightly better clouds. Not much else to trade for the downgrade. What would I be missing?

I used to play with the BMS 2.0 mods way back when, but AF is a better product, not to mention is supports dual core.

-S

Studying the graphics in Open Falcon, the puffy cloud missile and explosions look worse, not better!

A bunch of vids can be found here - http://www.fencecheck.com/forums/ind...?topic=10810.0

-S

Hope you guys don't mind if I continue the Falcon talk. It really sucks when a complex game has a crappy tutorial. IL2 and Civ 4 come to my mind right now. A game can be learned so much more quickly and easily with a comprehensive, hands on, tutorial.

If i remember correctly all the versions of falcon 4 have extensive training missions, the only problem is they are the manual in hand kind (which is fine for the original f4 manual, but bad if your working off a pdf unless you have a second monitor or a laptop)

F4 AF has 30 training missions (all hands on) and a couple hundred pages to go with the missions in the manual. You can also make your own "training" missions too. There are also a pile of other external tutorials (the flash "ramp start" program is very handy to learn the sequence).

Also the worst is sims with no training missions at all in either format, i can think of several that are like that.

Are there still copies of Falcon with this giant manual? Where might I find one? It would kinda suck to get stuck with a gigantic PDF. Not too bad though as I do use a second monitor.

Heh,

/Seinfeld
And what's the deal with game manuals these days?

Hmm, would be cool to hear what the actual differences are. I have heard that OF is supposed to be more realistic and better looking. I haven't heard exactly why though.

With AF, you don't ever get a manual and you need more than the old F4 Manual.

PDF is it. Best to print out the relevant training missions and have them in hand. Second monitor trick won't work - You will not be able to turn pages on it, and many times a change in resolution will send the page off the second screen half way. I should know, I run multi monitors in this office at once and the manual scrolls half way off screen due to a different res being used.

-S