Now that was unnecessary. Maybe he havent seen the real footage before. :-?

I'll agree with you Ferret.
I did post early on it was faked,
the poster apologized not knowing all the facts.
There is no need to slap his hands.

@LukeFF, it's ok man.
We all know it's BS of the highest order.
A mistake was made and I believe all of us have corrected it.
:yep:

@Privateer: I agree, lot's of folks in the past and present have been brutal beyond our comprehension. For example, the ancient Assyrians were said to be lenient with towns who surrendered without a fight, but would make a hill of the skulls of those who resisted. I just differed on the concept that all our knowledge of the big D comes from Stoker.

I also agree the film could be doctored, but I would like to see the originals. It's true all was not sweetness and light, even with the 'good guys'. I read about My Lai when it was front page news.

@ Sailor Steve

You and I see alot of things alike.
If any of use were to really dig?
OMG!!!
The horrors Man has delt to Man in many names and fashions!!
:nope:
One day, We of this day and age also will be looked upon
with repulse and horror.
And so it goes.
For myself,
the saddest part is that what was good and kind
of all past History is overshadowed.
Oft forgotten or not considered.
There had to be the kind and forgiveing.
Else I doubt any of us would be here.

Modding for SH4 and the pacific submarine war, has had me scrounging the net for any.. any resources, any material, any research, etc. So i like to think ive seen all the footage there is to see. When i saw the link in the original post, i had high hopes for new material. Turns out its quite the opposite. :shifty:

As LukeFF cited, some of the footage used in that fake video came from here:
http://www.realmilitaryflix.com/public/794.cfm

Now if anyone here has a genuine interest, you may find this video, alot more interesting. Its a 44 minute history channel program on subs in the pacific:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...arch&plindex=8


As an aside:
There was only one recorded incident of "machinegunning" as we know it in the pacific. It was on USS Wahoo's third patrol under the command of Dudley W Morton:
http://www.warfish.com/patrol3con.html
http://www.mackinnon.org/wahoo-3rdmi...ntroversy.html


Similarly theres only one recorded incident of machine gunning in the atlantic. It was the first patrol of U-852 under the command of Heinz-Wilhelm Eck. Search U-boat.net, im sure you'll find the apporpriate links.

Okay lads, topics like this one have been discussed before, and has been mentioned, this one clearly looks like it has been doctored to meet somebodies own agenda.

My advice, check out Ducimus's links above. This one will stay open ( but not for much longer ) so folks have a chance to see his post.


RDP

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Next time, try linking to a video that (a) isn't spliced together to suit someone's political agenda and (b) isn't overlaid with some godaweful music in the background. As Ducimus has pointed out, the REAL footage shows sailors shooting at a mine, not at prisoners floating helplessly in the sea.

(Caution: it might cause you to re-think how the Americans dealt with sunken ship survivors).[/quote]


Close your eyes and ears if you are sensitive. I'm ex infantry and I am pissed. Stop reading now if you want!

Save your flippant little lecture. I've posted numerous times in this thread that I had zero agenda posting this video. Trust me when I say if I wanted to post a video showing Americans or any troops doing bad things in war I would have posting something that would have made you puke on your keyboard and not sleep for a week. Those videos are all over the net. I'm sorry the mere hint that American sailors in WW2 might not have always acted like boy scouts has upset your delicate sensitivities snowflake.

I came accross it watching some SH4 videos and posted it here because we were talking about dealing with prisoners several days ago. It's 99% just naval action and about 1% dead Japanese. I'm starting to get pissed off at a few people acting like I attempted to stir up something political. I don't care if it's real or fake. It's obvisouly WW2 footage. Trust me when I say if it was my goal to post some **** about American military people doing bad things I would not have used this video. I would have posted about all the rapes done by Americans from France to Germany. The fire bombing of Japanese civilians. The list goes on.

One other thing. If you don't like the music mute the damn video.

And on that stellar note, thread closed.


RDP