Bah, Saddams much vaunted 4th largest army in the world also looked impressive just before Swartzkopf chopped them to pieces. I think the South Koreans would go through them like butter, especially with our backing. China is the key.

Nothing that wouldn't be survivable but again most of that would depend on Chinas reaction.

Here we agree. I fear that as more nations acquire a nuclear capability the likelyhood of someone detonating a nuke in anger somewhere increases as well. What will we do then?

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I agree that in a prolonged conflict, there is no doubt who'd be the victor. But this is different. Minutes from the say so, artillery shells would be raining on Seoul. This isn't to speak of all the other nasty things the NKs could do. I don't doubt the economic damage could be withstood in the long term, but I think we have a very low pain threshold economically speaking these days. It would hurt. And we will not bomb a nuclear installation in Korea for exactly this reason.

Agreed, but to a point. Things would get awfully tough(er) for North Korea without the Chinese propping them up with the free food, fuel, and other stuff. But that being said, China doesn't control North Korea's destiny. Commie dictator and Company do. Not the most sensible of folks. China is playing for regional stability, that is as far as their interest in North Korea goes.

Of course it would be survivable. It's just how much the current politicos are willing to put up with. And in current conditions, not much I'd say. EG: we aren't beating on Iran anytime soon, because (among other reasons) god knows how far up gas would go with a tanker or two mysteriously exploding in the Persian Gulf.

I think the answer to that is: it depends :). But yes, scarily/sadly enough a nuclear exchange in the future is almost inevitable.

EDIT: And by the way, by "depend on Chinas reaction", are you implying a military reaction by China? China will not be bleeding for North Korea again anytime in the foreseeable future. As I said, they just want to avoid a $hit storm in the region.

PD

I think theres a lotta people who are blindly opposing certain leaders, govt, etc because its the trendy thing to do.

there are countless posts dating back with 'show us proof' of wmd stuff, yada yada.

here, we have proof, but you still cry foul? here is evidence of a reactor, and lets face it who in the world would honestly feel perfectly safe knowing that syria was running nuclear reactors, and was receiving help from the north koreans who we all know has nukes....? I wouldnt.

To me, it seems like even when you're offered proof, you blindly reject it.

i'll put in a disclaimer that 'you' isnt aimed at anyone rather a generic term for seemingly 3/4 of the world atm...:know:

One reason Israel has lost faith in the international community is because of its previous experiences with it. When Saddam was building the nuclear plant the Isareli's voiced their concern to its purpose. The international community just ignored their worries, so they took it upon themselves to solve the issue themselves. It was later revealed by a senior scientist who escaped from Iraq that the plant was NOT for peaceful means, and was for the research/construction of WMD's.

Has it also not been thought that the nuclear fuel could have been bought from Iran? I mean why would they produce a nuclear plant if they had no fuel for it???

The yanks and Israeli's are not perfect by any means, but I would trust them a lot more than these greedy, backstabbing arab states. Syria is up to something I think, and I would bet that its not peaceful.

In the middle of a desert, where the sun shines 90% of the time... would it not be better to pursue solar/wind energy? Would be a lot cheaper than pursuing nuclear power. Would also remove the great big "shoot me" sticker that the middle east seems to love slapping on everything it owns at the moment.

I think they'd fight PD, although they might call the troops they send "volunteers" like they did in 1950.

I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree, evolved forum goers that we are. :)

PD

The thing is i'd prefer that you were right in this case... :up:

I too would like to think China would steer clear, but i think its a given they'd love to donate some of their equipment to test against the US developed weapons. And of course you can't test something properly unless you have the properly trained men to operate it....

theyd love to see the us get a bloody nose, simple as that

N.Korea is a buffer zone. I don't think China is ready to let that go away yet.

I believe the better question is: "Are you serious?"

Can we adjust that statement to fit the United States' situation with George W.?

Haven't you packed up and left for greener pastures yet?

Figured I'd wait around until November when the essence of change is in the air.

Yes.
Btw, are you going back to Iran and fight, when they start to bomb it to stone age and destroy its medieval culture?

Are comments like this needed? ;)

Change? Is someone else running besides the other three clones? :D