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HAMAS

Militancy and terrorism


Suicide attacks

Suicide attacks are the main element of what the group sees as its asymmetric warfare against Israel. Since the group considers all Israel to be a "militarized society" Hamas condones attacks on civilian targets. The group's willingness to target civilian facilities including buses, supermarkets, and restaurants is the reason why some governments classify it as a terrorist movement (although Hamas claims being a national liberation movement).

Hamas' first use of suicide bombing occurred on April 16, 1993 when a suicide bomber driving an explosive-laden van detonated between two buses parked at a restaurant. It was Hamas' 19th known attack since 1989 (the others being shootings, kidnappings and knife attacks).[98]
Hamas continued to launch suicide attacks during the Oslo Accords period (see List of Hamas suicide attacks).

During the second Intifada, Hamas, along with the Islamic Jihad Movement, spearheaded the violence through the years of the Palestinian uprising.[99] Since then Hamas has conducted many attacks on Israel, mainly through its military wing — the Izz ad-Din al-Qassam Brigades. These attacks have included large-scale suicide bombings against Israeli civilian targets, the most deadly of which was the bombing of a Netanya hotel on March 27, 2002, in which 30 people were killed and 140 were wounded. This attack has also been referred to as the Passover massacre since it took place on the first night of the Jewish festival of Passover. Overall, from November 2000 to April 2004, 377 Israeli citizens and soldiers were killed and 2,076 wounded in 425 attacks by Hamas. (Source: IDF website.) The Israeli Ministry of Foreign Affairs maintains a comprehensive list of Hamas attacks. March 2004.htm
In a 2002 report, Human Rights Watch stated that Hamas' leaders "should be held accountable for the war crimes and crimes against humanity" that have been committed by its members.[100]
A few female suicide bombers, including a mother of six and a mother of two children under the age of 10 have also executed suicide bombings. Abdel Aziz Rantisi has said,

"The Hamas movement is prepared to stop terror against Israeli civilians if Israel stops killing Palestinian civilians ... We have told (Palestinian Authority Prime Minister) Abu Mazen in our meetings that there is an opportunity to stop targeting Israeli civilians if the Israelis stop assassinations and raids and stop brutalizing Palestinian civilians."[101]

In May 2006 Israel arrested Hamas top official Ibrahim Hamed whom Israeli security officials claim was responsible for dozens of suicide bombings and other attacks on Israelis.[102]
On Feb 7, 2008 Hamas resumed the suicide bombings against civilian targets inside Israel killing an 74 year old woman and wounding her husband and other civilians[23],[24],[25],[26],[27]
On March 5, 2008 various news services reported that Hamas had claimed responsibility for the killing of 8 Yeshiva students in Jerusalem. [103] A spokesman for Hamas has rebutted the claim, stating that it is "an honour we have not claimed yet", and the official position is that the attack has been attributed to the "Free Men of Galilee", who are affiliated with Hezbollah. [104]

Shelling and rocket attacks on civilians

Since 2002, Hamas has used homemade Qassam rockets to hit Israeli towns in the Negev, such as Sderot. The introduction of the Qassam-2 rocket has allowed Hamas to reach large Israeli cities such as Ashkelon, bringing great concern to the Israeli populace and many attempts by the Israeli military to stop the proliferation and use of the rockets. On March 2008 one of Hamas politburo members sent a letter to Arab leaders urging them not to condem attacks on civilians[28]

Guerilla warfare


Hamas has made great use of guerrilla tactics in the Gaza Strip and to a lesser degree the West Bank.[105] Hamas has successfully adapted these techniques over the years since its inception. According to a 2006 report by rival Fatah party, Hamas had smuggled "between several hundred and 1,300 tons" of advanced rockets, along with other weaponry, into Gaza. Some Israelis and some Gazans both noted similarities in Hamas's military buildup to that of Hezbollah in the 2006 Israel-Hezbollah war.[105]
Hamas has used IEDs and anti-tank rockets against the IDF in Gaza. The latter include standard RPG-7 warheads and home-made rockets such as the Al-Bana, Al-Batar and Al-Yasin. The home-made rockets proved ineffective against Israeli armor[citation needed], while Popular Resistance Committees' IEDs destroyed 3 Israeli tanks in 2002. The IDF has a difficult, if not impossible time trying to find hidden weapons caches in Palestinian areas — this is due to the high local support base Hamas enjoys.[106]

Others attacked

In addition to killing Israeli civilians, Hamas has also attacked Israeli military and security forces (occasionally inside Israel), suspected Palestinian collaborators, and Fatah rivals.[107]
On February 2007, members of the Palestinian Red Crescent, speaking on conditions on anonymity, said that Hamas had confiscated their humanitarian supply convoys that were destined for Palestinian civilians. Hamas claims the supplies were heading to former members of Fatah. [108]

Call to attack United States targets

On November 8, 2006 the military wing of Hamas called on Muslims around the world to attack American targets. "America is offering political, financial and logistic cover for the Zionist occupation crimes, and it is responsible for the Beit Hanoun massacre. Therefore, the people and the nation all over the globe are required to teach the American enemy tough lessons," Hamas said in a statement sent to The Associated Press. Ghazi Hamad, spokesman for the Hamas-led Palestinian government said that the group had no intention of attacking American targets and denied any involvement with the statement.[109]
It has been alleged that Hamas threatens the United States through covert cells on U.S. soil, and that the FBI and United States Department of Justice are aware of these cells.[110][111] Hamas has repeatedly stated that it is only interested in operations against the Israeli occupation and not a single suicide attack outside Israel, Gaza, and the West Bank has ever been attributed to Hamas.

Summary executions

Human Rights Watch has cited a number of summary executions as particular examples of violations of the rules of warfare, including the case of Muhammad Swairki, 28, a cook for Palestinian Authority Chairman Mahmoud Abbas's presidential guard, who was thrown to his death, with his hands and legs tied, from a 15-story apartment building in Gaza City. [29],[30],[31]
Hamas and other Palestinian militant groups frequently extrajudicially execute or otherwise punish those they consider collaborators with Israel. Frequent killings of unarmed people have also occurred during Hamas-Fatah clashes.[32],[33], [34],[35],[36]

There is no excuse for Hamas, they dont recognize Israels right to exist, they never will. The Palestinians struggle is of their own making, they have the power to stop the violance by not voting to terrorists. This is just another front of global Jihad and any Hamas supporter i consider as enemies.

So, what your saying is that it was perfectly acceptable to establish Israel as a nation by forcing the Palestinians from their lands... The Palestinians occupied the area now known as Israel for thousands of years until 1946... And you expect them to just "give up"?

Check out the map...

http://www.friendsofpalestine.org.au...0Map%20Big.jpg

This is akin to the destruction of the Native American Nations in America during the expansion years in the 1800's....

Again, from my earlier post:

This is the type of people Carter's talking with (from a Reuters story published today):

When does the price become too high?

I take extreme offense at that remark. It is incredibly inappropriate.



I wonder also, why no one remembers this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KrM0dAFsZ8k

Why should we be supporting these people?

I apologize then. For my part, I'm incredibly tired of hearing about the Jews and THEIR struggle to survive when I look at their hypocrisy in what is being done to the Palestinian people.

Look at the source you're using, dude! Prior to the 1970s there WAS NO PALESTINIAN MOVEMENT. I know...I just spent an entire year writing a thesis on the Six Day War, which I handed in this afternoon. In 1967, there was not a single mention of the word Palestinian. This is because the West Bank was in Jordanian hands and the Gaza Strip was in Egyptian hands. Israel tried to give them back in the Allon Plan after the war, but neither the Jordanians nor the Egyptians would take them! Get your facts straight.

EDIT: It's the continued use of remarks like the one above that keep forcing Jews to remind people.

[quote=DeepIron]To get into that you have to know the history of Israel. Have you read any of the history?

Forget it. I can't discuss this topic any longer without injecting a personal bias into it...

Live long and prosper...

Thousands of years? Please, they are mostly related to the Arabs conquerors. Many arabs declared to be palestinians after -48 to get in to the "refugee" camps were international aid was delivered. Its the Jews that have been there thousands of years.
There was no Palestine state when Israel declared independence and not after it, Egypt and Jordan took the arab territories and waged war from them.
Now that their genocide plans have failed every time they cry for sympathy, i dont have much, not abandoning their plans tough.
I expect nothing from them, but i except the civilized world not to give up to them.

http://www.rte.ie/news/2008/0421/mideast.html

Hmm.

Should have taken his passport when we had the chance! Dammit!

The same day Carter reported that Mamas told him they were vready to accept Israel'S right to exist, german media quoted a spokesman of Hamas denying that Hamas has said that, instead they are ready to have a ceasefire for around ten years if Israel withdraws to the borders of '67, but he pointed out that they will not recognize Israel. Not now, not then.

My impression of it: words are cheap, good ol' Carter read to much into it this time, and in the ME, words come and go with the wind, like the seasons. And an agreement with an organization like Hamas I would not bet my life on anyway, at no cost.

Hamas rejects Israeli recognition

"We have offered a truce if Israel withdraws to the 1967 borders, a truce of 10 years as an alternative to recognition."

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7359661.stm

:rotfl:

Well you cant take it seriously either.:doh:

This isnt peace, its a truce, and they have offered that before. They just want 10yrs to rearm and grow in strength, the Israelis would be crazy to agree on this.

I would say its a realistic wiew and yours is idealistic.

What is there to discuss? Its not in anyones interest but Hamas. Or do you see some possible way to turn this against Hamas? Then i would like to hear it.

Ha, strange, really - down to the word selection and constellation of words: exactly the same answer I was about to post. Only possible that I would have produced one or two typos.

Does anyone else understand at all that solving the Palestinian question would cut down on terrorist attacks on US interests around the world?

If the US took a major role in finally getting the Palestinians an Independant State,itwould take away a major reason for various terrorist organizations to attack the US and make it harder for Al Quaeda to recruit. They wouldn't be able to use the "plight of the Palestinians" as a recruitment tool any more.

It is in the USA's best interests to see a Palestinian State be created and if that means talking to the political wing of Hamas then so be it.

Your logic is flawed, it would be a victory that would bring more supporters for Hamas and all terrorists.:nope: There is no sense in making truce with them and "peace" has too big of a price, the end of Israel. What would be next, Califate of Spain?


http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/01/wo...ref=middleeast

they can have him