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Rubini 01-14-08 09:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Galanti
I believe it's not all 169.xx drivers that are affected by the AA bug. IIRC 169.02 / 169.04 work fine.

There's not much doubt in my mind Nvidia AA is inferior to ATI's. And some of us have noticed for a while the general jaggedness of the wires/stays in SH4: http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/show...hlight=quality

Thanks for the tip about AA Compatibility, Rubini, I'm going to give it shot tonight!

Hi mate,

You mean not AA but profile, no?:hmm:

Edit: i just finish to read the link above...like I said nVidia AA default implementation is far away in quality and speed from ATI. Ati have no issues with SSAA where nvidia just fall in compatibility and speed. Like i said for me this is just a cheat to show more FPs on the benchs.

Anyway the guys on that post didnīt discouvered that 2000000:EA strategy Games compatibility settings that is what solves the AA for distant ships applying the AA to the entire scene.:up:

Galanti 01-14-08 10:05 AM

Yeah, I meant the profiles. But all I use them for is different levels of AA/AF!

So how big a difference is the EA Games compatibility setting? Will it fix the jaggy wires?

I think I'll rollback to 169.04 tongiht, like i said I'll almost 100% positive the profiles worked on those set.

Rubini 01-14-08 10:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Galanti
Yeah, I meant the profiles. But all I use them for is different levels of AA/AF!

So how big a difference is the EA Games compatibility setting? Will it fix the jaggy wires?

I think I'll rollback to 169.04 tongiht, like i said I'll almost 100% positive the profiles worked on those set.

Sorry...I just crossing our posts. I edited the post above about that compatibility setting. IIRC 169.04 yet have problems with the profiles...I'm using the169.21 (i'm playing Crysis and CD4 too!) and all is ok. I even tried 11 years old game (DID Total Air war) using a glide wrapper and it worked very well using this last nVidia drive.:up:

Galanti 01-14-08 10:18 AM

Great news...any way to get that compatibility thing implemented without NHancer? Registry key perhaps?

I've tried nHancer, and while it seemed pretty good in terms of funtionality, I found it was a bit slow to load, and had three processes running in the background. I'm pretty stingy with my processes, I'm down to 15 only in WinXP SP2.

swdw 01-14-08 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Rockin Robbins
It sure flys in the face of my experience and all the posts I've read and screenprints I've seen here over the past seven months, but I'd love to be wrong. Downloading nHancer now!:up:

RR, the one thing mentioned in posts is that the default Nvidia water rendering is surrealistic, while the ATi water is more realistic.
Here's an example of the water with an ATi card:
http://www.kickinbak.com/posts/water.jpg

Thing is, some people like the surrealistic look better

Rubini 01-14-08 10:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Galanti
Great news...any way to get that compatibility thing implemented without NHancer? Registry key perhaps?

I've tried nHancer, and while it seemed pretty good in terms of funtionality, I found it was a bit slow to load, and had three processes running in the background. I'm pretty stingy with my processes, I'm down to 15 only in WinXP SP2.

Good question...LOL....I can understand you....I for example use nTune just to have OC features (and some fan control) that I should like more to see them enabled in the default nvidia control pannel by a register tweak without the necessity to install ntuner (my MOBO have a Intel chipset) - and I donīt need all that so deep features from Riva Tunner.

Now returning to your question...I also donīt know if itīs possible to enable this nHancer set with registry tweaks...anyhow, IMHO, nHancer unlocks so much hidden good features that I will left it installed on my system.:up:

dean_acheson 01-14-08 12:48 PM

Using Vista 32 bit, and a 7800 GTX.

My computer was very very unhappy with this nhancer program. Wouldn't even run SH4... maybe I just set it up wrong, but I don't want to have to deal with that again.

Now I'm not sure why I just didn't stick with the control panel, it will let you fiddle with a ton of the settings.

AVGWarhawk 01-14-08 12:56 PM

Here is a new one on me. I did not change a thing with my system. I use a 7800 gs. I fired up the game and was getting 12-14 FPS while looking at the sub or on the bridge view. Looking anywere else and I got 18 FPS. Normally on the bridge and outside view I get 25 FPS or more. I reinstalled the current Nvidia drivers that did no good. I eventually reduced by in game screen resolution and all was well. I was then getting 30+ FPS. I never experienced this before. Anyone else have this happen?

Rockin Robbins 01-14-08 01:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by swdw
RR, the one thing mentioned in posts is that the default Nvidia water rendering is surrealistic, while the ATi water is more realistic.
Here's an example of the water with an ATi card:
http://www.kickinbak.com/posts/water.jpg

Thing is, some people like the surrealistic look better

Any idea what the wind speed is in that shot? I'd be curious to match up an nVidia shot in the same conditions. Too bad we can't have two separate graphics cards, one ATI and one nVidia running SH4 together and compare the screenshots of identical scenes.

swdw 01-14-08 01:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk
Here is a new one on me. I did not change a thing with my system. I use a 7800 gs. I fired up the game and was getting 12-14 FPS while looking at the sub or on the bridge view. Looking anywere else and I got 18 FPS. Normally on the bridge and outside view I get 25 FPS or more. I reinstalled the current Nvidia drivers that did no good. I eventually reduced by in game screen resolution and all was well. I was then getting 30+ FPS. I never experienced this before. Anyone else have this happen?

Might want to try Driver Sweeper, uninstall, clean and then reinstall to see if that helps.
http://www.guru3d.com/index.php?page=driversweeper

Is it possible something you installed recently is running a background task you weren't running before?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rockin Robbins
Any idea what the wind speed is in that shot? I'd be curious to match up an nVidia shot in the same conditions. Too bad we can't have two separate graphics cards, one ATI and one nVidia running SH4 together and compare the screenshots of identical scenes.

between 12-15, sun at 40-50 degrees above the horizon

Rockin Robbins 01-14-08 01:56 PM

Now THAT's strange
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk
Here is a new one on me. I did not change a thing with my system. I use a 7800 gs. I fired up the game and was getting 12-14 FPS while looking at the sub or on the bridge view. Looking anywere else and I got 18 FPS. Normally on the bridge and outside view I get 25 FPS or more. I reinstalled the current Nvidia drivers that did no good. I eventually reduced by in game screen resolution and all was well. I was then getting 30+ FPS. I never experienced this before. Anyone else have this happen?

Why would your 7800 have lower fps than my 7600GT? I thought they were supposed to be faster.

Your fps might change based on the number of background programs and processes you are running. Yesterday, mine fell to 19 until I rebooted and then was back to 38 again. I was back and forth between SH4, Adobe Photoshop, Acrobat, Thunderbird, Firefox and a big huge java applet (is there any other kind of java applet?) for the EVGA website applying for my RMA on my second detonated graphics card. Bad electrolytic capacitor again.

Doolittle81 01-14-08 02:38 PM

Some water pics...real or surreal, I don't know:
http://members.cox.net/doolittle80/Seas1.jpg

http://members.cox.net/doolittle80/Seas2.jpg

http://members.cox.net/doolittle80/Seas3.jpg

Doolittle81 01-14-08 03:19 PM

I like the wires to be almost invisible from a distance, as in real life:

http://members.cox.net/doolittle80/Sunsetwire.jpg

http://members.cox.net/doolittle80/Sunsetwire2.jpg

http://members.cox.net/doolittle80/Sunsetwire3.jpg

All above pics with Rubini nHancer settings and GTX8800

AVGWarhawk 01-14-08 03:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rockin Robbins
Quote:

Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk
Here is a new one on me. I did not change a thing with my system. I use a 7800 gs. I fired up the game and was getting 12-14 FPS while looking at the sub or on the bridge view. Looking anywere else and I got 18 FPS. Normally on the bridge and outside view I get 25 FPS or more. I reinstalled the current Nvidia drivers that did no good. I eventually reduced by in game screen resolution and all was well. I was then getting 30+ FPS. I never experienced this before. Anyone else have this happen?

Why would your 7800 have lower fps than my 7600GT? I thought they were supposed to be faster.

Your fps might change based on the number of background programs and processes you are running. Yesterday, mine fell to 19 until I rebooted and then was back to 38 again. I was back and forth between SH4, Adobe Photoshop, Acrobat, Thunderbird, Firefox and a big huge java applet (is there any other kind of java applet?) for the EVGA website applying for my RMA on my second detonated graphics card. Bad electrolytic capacitor again.

Not sure RR. My kids and wife were on the computer most of the day. Playing all sort of stuff. I went to play and my FPS dropped for no good reason. I cleaned up internet junk. Cleaned up the registry and defrag as it said it needed it. Reboot and still the same. Usually doing that does the trick. I reinstalled the drivers and still the same 18 fps. It seemed locked on 18 fps. I reduced the in game resolution by one notch and I was looking at 30+ FPS in outside view. It was a steady 30+ also. Very strange. I'm cool if it stays at 30+ FPS. I will see what happens tonight.

cmdrk 01-15-08 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Elder-Pirate
LOL
I'll keep my Chevy........er... Model T.:)

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y11...ModelTFord.jpg

Based by the above screen shot, you need some AA or something. Doesn't look real at all. And those clouds, :doh: ----------------- :D

Anvart 01-15-08 03:34 PM

ATI R9800 Pro, driver 7.12, during 5...6 sec:

http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/2725/ati5secxp6.jpg

Elder-Pirate 01-15-08 05:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cmdrk
Quote:

Originally Posted by Elder-Pirate
LOL
I'll keep my Chevy........er... Model T.:)



Based by the above screen shot, you need some AA or something. Doesn't look real at all. And those clouds, :doh: ----------------- :D


Wadda want for a 1941 Brownie box camera with Kodak color deluxe film ( brand new film for 1941 ). :rotfl:

Rockin Robbins 01-15-08 06:38 PM

Marvelous shot, Anvart!

cowboys98 01-20-08 02:09 AM

something is wrong here?
 
hi,i got nvidia 7600 gs,i updated to the latest driver,i d/l the enhancer and put the settings suggested for sh3/4 .when i started the game,this is how it look,also im running all the reflections of the water mods.any suggestions on how to fix this?




http://img261.imageshack.us/img261/3...9421qv7.th.png
http://img261.imageshack.us/img261/4...3078dp6.th.png

[img=http://img261.imageshack.us/img261/3708/sh4img20080120002629421qv7.th.png]
[img=http://img261.imageshack.us/img261/4153/sh4img20080120002613078dp6.th.png]



http://img237.imageshack.us/img237/8...9421vc6.th.png



http://img211.imageshack.us/img211/9...4359nd7.th.png

Laffertytig 01-20-08 05:50 AM

i currently have over 40 processes running on my task manager. does anyone have any info on how i can optimise my system somewhat?


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