Don't get me wrong, I'm glad he shot the thieving gits, serves them right as far as I'm concerned, but the call shows that he also did not obey the requests and instructions of the police despatcher, who repeatedly told him not to do it, that sounds to me like his mind was made up.

:D Chock

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Read the Texas Penal codes 9.41/ 9.42/ 9.43/ and all of 9.51.

http://www.txdps.state.tx.us/ftp/for...16.pdf#page=62


He's in the right to defend his neighbors property as defined in S. 9.43 as he is witnessing the theft of his neighbors property; S. 9.42 also supports his position.

S. 9.51/ 2/ B Is a kicker though. This section allows him to make a Citizen Arrest, but he has to follow the same procedure as all other LEOs' do. Since he wasn't able to make the actual arrest, he's still in the clear as the burglars were attempting to leave the area with the stolen property. But as we have it, Sub S. C of that same code allows for the course of action that Mr. Horn took to be legal.

So two scumbags are gone and we can all go back to our daily lives. There's not much else to it.

I and most people i know here would call that living under a yoke with no rights and only responsibilities.

Im not going to put my life in the hands of criminals. I am not going to leave my home to be ravaged by criminals. The goverment is there for me, im not here for the goverment.

Er, no. That's not what i'm saying at all. I've no idea where you got that from.

He's told by the dispatch not to do anything, then tells the dispatch what he's going to do. After 90 seconds he states "I'm not going to let them get away with this". The dispatch hasn't said what police are on the way, or how long they will take, but this guy has already decided to disobey him.

Yes we all know his action was legal.


Where has common sense gone? Let's give storeclerks guns so they can shoot suspected shoplifters right in the shopping mall.

As for the stepson story, I actually wouldn't disagree with you too much.

The charges against the remaining guy there are based on a pretty weird law, but as far as the self-defense right - that was justified. Beating someone half-dead is a pretty good sign those guys had no regard for life. I think the last guy should be charged with attempted murder and some variation of criminal stupidity leading to death(s) though.

Could you define common sense for us? And I certainly wouldn't mind all store clerks being armed (so long as they are properly trained), but shooting on mere suspicion would be illegal.:D

Most dispatchers are not law enforcement officers in the US, and have no law enforcement authority. Either way his actions were within his rights and his duty under the law.

That makes no sense?!

Im talking about the best way to preserve my life.
Starting gun fights, however one sided, is not the best way to stay alive when
compared to the alternatives.

Then how would you justify this statement: Deterrence and punishment are the jobs assigned to the police and courts.
or deny the statements sentiment?

I still don't really see your logic, if there is any.

How am I giving up my "right to life" by letting the police arrest people?

You give it up by letting it be known that you will not deter the crime.

These folks aren't afraid of the police or the courts. Six months in the can? Big deal.

I heard the whole tape, Mr. Horn is not right in his head. I would hate to have him as my neighbour.


Porphy

I'd like to have him as my neighbor. He'd look out for me and I for him. The message needs to be sent that criminal activity will not be tolerated and we won't wait for the police.

If that was the case then you would exspect to see more crime per person in say, the UK, than America, right?

Prision pop. per 100,000 persons for 2001
USA: 689
UK:129
EU avg: 89

If a criminal thinks he might be up against a armed, aggresive opponent it will not
put him off, it will just make him more likely to be more armed and agressive him self.

You understand that if this is true, people will want to buy more guns.

How many of those in US jails are there because our law enforcement and courts, as lousy as they are, are better than the UK?

And even given that I refuse to give my life to allow those systems to some how protect me.

Are you serious? :doh:
That would make US police over 530% more effective than the police of any European country.

And yet you allow the existance of the police to feel safe? False safety man.

Example from the last 24 hours - last night I was locked out of my house, due to forgetting my keys. Dummkopf.
So I climbed up over the back wall, and squeezed in the kitchen window. It was painful and not too quick, but I was in. I'd prefer to have someone call the police, and go through the embarrassment and hassle of explaining my situation, than have a neighbour shoot me.