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Officerpuppy 06-08-07 02:40 PM

Cant we all just get along?:rotfl:

SUBMAN1 06-08-07 05:16 PM

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Originally Posted by TLAM Strike
Well I just read "Black Aces High" about a F-14A squadron in the Kosovo war and as it turned out it could do things the newer F/A-18 Hornets couldn't. Its FLIR (the TARPS system I think its called) system could locate targets and twice the distance. Now I doubt Iran has any TARPS pods laying around but the point is don't count out an old aircraft simply because its old, the F-14A did pretty damn good againt the folks who shot down the F-117. :yep:

As for having or not having AIM-54 missiles I'm sure Iran could retorfit any of those long range suckers Russia sold them like the AA-9 or AA-6. Heck with its payload it would make a damn good bomber.

As for the JSF the F/A-35 and P-8 are proably the biggest mistakes the USN has made since canning Diesel Boats. :down:

I'd have to disagree with you. The version of F/A-18C model that is being replaced is no where in the same league as the F-35. The F-35 beats it in every single catagory, especially range, stealth, and combat effectiveness. The F-35 also incorporates many of the F-22 technologies as well. F/A-18E basically replaced the F-14, and its got a built in FLIR that is many generations newer and much more finely detailed than its F-14 counterpart. The F/A-18C is being retired so the F-14 seems to have lost its last advantage when compared to the F/A-18E. Last but not least, the F/A-18E can carry a much larger payload than the F-14, adn only requires 20% of the maintenance. The F-14 required many ground hours in maintenance to keep it flying for every single flight hour. Its a resource pig.

The upgrades the Navy is doing is the best thing they can do in my opnion. ALl these antiquated aircraft need to be retired since they have outlived their usefullness.

-S

SUBMAN1 06-08-07 05:20 PM

Here is the internal FLIR used by the F/A-18E:

The AN/ASQ-228 Advanced Targeting Forward-Looking Infrared (ATFLIR) is a multi-sensor, electro-optical targeting pod incorporating infrared, low-light television camera, laser rangefinder/target designator, and laser spot tracker developed and manufactured by Raytheon. It is used to provide navigation and targeting for military aircraft in adverse weather and using precision-guided weapons such as laser-guided bombs. It is intended to replace the earlier AN/AAS-38 Nite Hawk pod in US Navy service.
ATFLIR is 72 in (183 cm) long, weighs 420 lb (191 kg), and has a slant range of 30 mi (48 km), said to be useful at altitude of up to 50,000 ft (15,240 m). It has fewer parts than many previous systems, which is intended to improve serviceability (although early examples, in service with VFA-115 'Eagles' in 2003 experienced problems). Crews indicate that it offers much greater target resolution and image accuracy than previous systems.
ATFLIR presently is used only by the US Navy on the F/A-18E/F Super Hornet, although it is compatible with the earlier F/A-18C/D. It is normally carried on one of the fuselage stations otherwise used for AIM-120 AMRAAM missiles. Current plans call for a total of 574 pods. As of Jan. 2006, Raytheon has delivered 100 pods.

SUBMAN1 06-08-07 05:21 PM

This is rather interesting to hear on F-35:

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Directed-energy weapons

Directed-energy weapons may be installed in conventional takeoff F-35 Lightning IIs, whose lack of a direct lift fan frees up about 100 ft³ (2.8 m³) of space with access to a drive shaft capable of delivering more than 27,000 hp (20 MW).[39][40] Some concepts, including solid state lasers and high-power microwave beams, may be nearing operational status.
More info:
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Frida Berrigan, "Now You See, Now You Don't. The Pentagon's blinding lasers," In These Times, September 27, 2002: "Lockheed Martin and Raytheon, who together had $20.3 billion in Pentagon contracts in 2001, are collaborating on development of directed energy weapons--powerful 100-kilowatt infrared lasers for use on the F-35 Joint Strike Fighter."
THe whole article:
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Now You See, Now You Don’t
The Pentagon’s blinding lasers.
By Frida Berrigan

U.S. weapons manufacturers are hard at work developing futuristic precision weapons that promise to keep Americans even further out of harm’s way: lasers.

Lockheed Martin and Raytheon, who together had $20.3 billion in Pentagon contracts in 2001, are collaborating on development of “directed energy weapons”—powerful 100-kilowatt infrared lasers for use on the F-35 Joint Strike Fighter.

The JSF program, worth an estimated $200 billion, is Lockheed Martin’s crowning accomplishment. If all goes well, the Pentagon will soon order as many as 3,000 F-35s, making it the largest acquisition program in history. This $40 million fighter plane will be ubiquitous in the U.S. military and throughout the world. England, Norway, Italy, Singapore, Turkey, Israel and others have already expressed serious interest as well.

The JSF laser system could be used to destroy communication lines, power grids, or fuel dumps, or to zero in on part of a vehicle, like the engine. The weapons, which are scheduled to be ready for testing in 2010, would be covert, powerful and untraceable. “There’s no huge explosion associated with its employment, there are no pieces and parts left behind that someone can analyze to say, ‘this came from the United States,’ ” explains an unnamed Lockheed Martin official quoted in Aviation Week and Space Technology in July. “The damage is localized, and it is hard to tell where it came from and when it happened. It is all pretty mysterious.”

So mysterious, in fact, that engineers are only beginning to consider what the lasers will do to people. According to Aviation Week and Space Technology, military planners in Israel are not pursuing directed-energy weapons because of concerns they “might result in new, unanticipated types of collateral damage.” For example, the weapons could disrupt electricity at civilian sites or affect pacemakers.

They could also blind and injure people in the vicinity. As Gordon Hengst of the Air Force Research Laboratory in New Mexico, where the research on the lasers is being conducted, points out: “The reflected energy typically will cover large amounts of real estate and space, since the energy is spreading in many directions.”

He adds that if the target is moving, the possibility of refraction is greater. According to New Scientist magazine, the human eye is very vulnerable to light from lasers: “Safety guidelines warn against staring into beams of only a few milliwatts. … The unpredictable reflections scattered from a 100-kilowatt laser could be devastating.”

Weapons manufacturers concede that blinding and other injuries could occur, but say the benefits outweigh the concerns. “As with all weapons, there is potential for inflicting collateral damage,” says Tom Burris, a Lockheed scientist.

And surprisingly enough, despite the fact that the United States signed the Geneva Convention’s Protocol on Blinding Laser Weapons in 1991, these weapons are exempt. The convention prohibits “laser weapons specifically designed, as their sole combat function or as one of their combat functions, to cause permanent blindness to unenhanced vision.” [Emphasis added.] But a small phrase is a loophole big enough for a fighter plane to fly through. Stephen Goose of Human Rights Watch explains, “That protocol was purposely drafted to avoid capturing other types of laser weapons systems.”

Laser weapons blind, whether or not they are “specifically designed” to do so as their “sole combat function.” They are also the wave of the future, says Mike Booen of Raytheon: “We want to replace high explosives [like bombs and missiles] with directed energy weapons.” The Pentagon has been investing accordingly.

Laser weapons seem like the answer to Washington’s prayers for an antiseptic warfare that plays well on television and will not offend the American public with civilian deaths or U.S. casualties. But that’s easier said than done. The Afghan war, which is costing U.S. taxpayers $2.5 billion a month and relies on high-tech weapons and sophisticated communications equipment, has produced deadly errors with macabre regularity. With laser weapons, we can only expect more of the same. http://www.inthesetimes.com/global/end.gif
http://www.inthesetimes.com/issue/26/24/news1.shtml

Oberon 06-08-07 05:51 PM

:o :o :o :o :o

DEW on an F-35...

My respect for these little fighters just went up a notch. :up:

SUBMAN1 06-08-07 06:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Oberon
:o :o :o :o :o

DEW on an F-35...

My respect for these little fighters just went up a notch. :up:

Carefull though - this may be the CIA's wet dream, and undetectable aircraft with an undectable weapon that can't be traced back to the people that pulled the trigger, but now when something happens in the world and something is detroyed unexplained, where are the worlds eyes going to look? At the country that can do this is where. So even though this will strike fear into those that would do harm to the US of A or even the UK, it is also a double edged sword! Just remember that.

-S

Oberon 06-08-07 06:15 PM

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Originally Posted by SUBMAN1
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Originally Posted by Oberon
:o :o :o :o :o

DEW on an F-35...

My respect for these little fighters just went up a notch. :up:

Carefull though - this may be the CIA's wet dream, and undetectable aircraft with an undectable weapon that can't be traced back to the people that pulled the trigger, but now when something happens in the world and something is detroyed unexplained, where are the worlds eyes going to look? At the country that can do this is where. So even though this will strike fear into those that would do harm to the US of A or even the UK, it is also a double edged sword! Just remember that.

-S

Oh yes, absolute power corrupts absolutely. To be able to do things without consequences leads humanity down a dangerous path.

U-533 06-09-07 02:54 PM

I can donate a few rounds of 30.06 or 50cals...

Just march the bastards in front of my weapon...

Free rides to Paradise your 72 Virgins are waiting now!

The Avon Lady 06-11-07 04:22 PM

House OKs Ban on F-14 Part Sales to Iran.


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