Well...I'm going to have to take this back. Last night the game crashed and kept crashing every time I passed by the tiny islands SW of Honshu.

Tony

Lemon laws were created to provide consumers with a legal course of action if they purchase an automobile that fails repeatedly. Of course certain failures can compromise safety but that is not sole basis for the law.

Autos that are purchased "as is" do not qualify under the lemon law.

Most EULAs basically state that the software is purchased "as is" and not guaranteed for any particular purpose nor is it guaranteed to work at all.

The EULA is usually in the box and once you have opened that box you are no longer entitled to a refund, only an exchange.

This doen't seem fair to me, how about you?

A software "crash" can mean different things to different people. For some, it is merely an inconvenience, for others it can mean a loss of several thousand dollars.

With that said, I am enjoying SHIV with the new patch and various mods that were so graciously provided by the modding community; however, I am still disappointed that I had to wait so long for that software to get fixed AFTER I had spent my money on it. I bought two seriously bugged titles in one week, so I hope you can understand my discontentment.

In my opinion, this is a trend that needs to stop.

FWIW - TDU is the absolute buggiest pile of steaming dog doo that I have ever purchased and the publisher STILL hasn't released a patch despite numerous complaints. At least Ubi has released two for SHIV.

I think a lot of people may be blaming Vista for CTDs that are more likely related to the individual's system. I've been running SH4 under Vista from the beginning and have yet to see a CTD. Regardless, CTDs are usually related to the program being run, rather than the OS.

Can you give me an example where a software 'crash' cost someone several thousand dollars? I've been repairing PC's and PC-based networks for over 15 years now and have never seen a piece of software cause that level of damage.

It should also be pointed out that everyone who's bought more than one PC game should know what the deal is with the EULA and store return policies. If the risk seems unacceptable, don't take it. At the same time, if you choose to take the risk, don't fault the EULA if you get stung. Take responsibility for your own decisions.

Absolutely. Let's take for example an ERP software solution where most if not all departments and their functions are integrated into a single system. If you have been working on networks for as long as you say, then this example requires no further explanation.

Of course this applies to the Enterprise, gaming software is not used for profit unless you're into competition gaming.

As for the EULA, I am really suprised to see that any consumer would want to defend the current distribution methods used by software publishers. There are certains risks involved with anything you buy but most products can be returned for a refund--even if the box has been opened. Not so with software and that is not right.

I worked in IT for over 20-years as a network admin before I got fed up with the industry and left. Being on-call 24/7, spending hours of my free time trying to stay on top of technology, and watching jobs get outsourced (including my own) to the lowest bidder overseas are the main reasons I left.

i have to agree

ubi $%^#$% me off this time

this is about the 3rd #$%#$% time im trying toi get Thresher home from Tokyo Bay and im out of #$%#$% fuel

this is absolutely #@$%#$% rediculous

I'm in no hurry for another patch. Game is stable, and do what I require of it. Granted I do not use manual targeting, point and shoot is more my style after years of FPS :p I'm more attracted to the tactical side of the sim, not the nuts and bolts.

The remaining bugs are to me more small niggles, not a deal-breaker. I'll appreciate another patch ofcourse, but I'll rather they take their time and actually fix the remaining issues, and not introduce new ones. Oh, and that they get adversarial MP working good. I haven't tested it yet (unstable internet, drops connection at random intervals for about a minute before it is back up :damn: ), but I understand it is quite broken.

just did a crash dive to avoid 2 zeroes

boat went to 60 feet, then 90, etc

then sank like a frakking rock, with not a single hit from either zero

im not playing this game until itis fixed.:down::damn::nope:

<Cleaned that up for, you. JCC>

Okay, I can see that environment causing a cost of several thousand dollars if there was a crash...any net-admin worth his salt would have that software running in a redundant, if not clustered, environment though. I was looking for an example outside of an enterprise environment.

Right or wrong, until there is a change made by a governmental entity I don't see it changing. Since that's the situation in the US (the EU has already made 'shrink-wrap EULAs' invalid), customers should be aware of it and take the time to do their research before buying the product.

sounds familiar...I've moved into a more telephony-centric position within our IT department and I think that'll help me stay in the industry until I'm ready to retire.

I keep have'n the out of control dives like this even when I don't use crash dive. The emergency tanks don't help much with stopping it either. :dead: