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AVGWarhawk 04-07-07 06:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Grunt
I find the gov't lawsuit excuse laughable. Tell that story to the Call of Duty dev's. Die 20 times on one level and you get the Purple Heart award.

Anyhow, the awards in SH4 are SO corny and childish as to be offensive. The awards in SH3 were well done and very dignified.

They need some work for sure. As far as legality issue. There is no issue.

Drebbel 04-07-07 06:43 AM

Remember this is not the official statement from UBI. But just my 2cts from putting 2 and 2 together.

Drebbel

PS: of course I also consulted my under cover informers

Sailor Steve 04-07-07 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Drebbel
PS: of course I also consulted my under cover informers

So, am I gonna get paid this time?

Hans Schultz 04-07-07 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by fullmetaledges
You can make a graphical representation of any medal you want, just like you can make a painting of a military person with there awards on. Whomever made the call misinterpreted the laws on this.

exactly, this law was intended to prevent people from wearing/claiming to have or earn medals that they did not. But the law being so vauge it has hurt the US militaria market and collectors of WWII militaria.

Limerick 04-07-07 11:02 AM

Let me get this straight......

You can make a game in which a U.S. attack sub commander can surface a U.S. boat with an historical U.S. Navy name and hull number, machine-gun life boats to up your tonnage total but you can't pin a Bronze Star on your Chief-of-the-Boat for saving that boat from sinking?

I hardly believe that the DOD would go after Ubi for the medals.

Snowman999 04-07-07 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Chuck B.
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The test, at least as far back as "Top Gun" has been if the work shows the US military in a truthful, positive light.
I can see Top Gun being described as "positive" when it comes to the image of the US military that it emits, but I had to smile when I read "thruthful" :)

I'm with you on that . . .

The one exception to truthful that DoD balked at, that I'm aware of, was "Crimson Tide" (ob submarine ref.) The script involved loss of control over nuclear weapons authority (among other howlers), so the Navy didn't lend any assistance. The resulting mis-mash (stock footage of various subs including a 688, uniform mistakes like the COB wearing an officer's cover, rotating red lights inside the hull, a dog pissing on missile tubes, etc.) still leads to real sub crews watching it in a Rocky Horror-esqe manner.

Snowman999 04-07-07 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by tommyk
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Originally Posted by Snowman999
I can't see what in SH4 DoD could have kittens over, except perhaps that mournful opening sequence.

jepp, and I guess they would be happy to see it replaced with an opening like the one done by CaptainCox...

Where or what is this one?

Snowman999 04-07-07 11:35 AM

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Anyhow, the awards in SH4 are SO corny and childish as to be offensive.
From what I've read here I'd have to agree. It's part of the overall not understanding US Navy culture and traditions, especially those unique to submarines, that detract from the overall immersion for some vets. Perhaps this can be modded, but it shouldn't have to be.

Earning dolphins was one of the high points of my life. It, and many other things, ought to be in a product that purports to be a sim.

tommyk 04-07-07 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Snowman999
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Originally Posted by tommyk
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Originally Posted by Snowman999
I can't see what in SH4 DoD could have kittens over, except perhaps that mournful opening sequence.

jepp, and I guess they would be happy to see it replaced with an opening like the one done by CaptainCox...

Where or what is this one?

I was referring to the "The Silent Service Graphic Mod 1.1" made by CaptainCox. I like it very much over the stock opening movie...
http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=110756

davejb 04-07-07 03:18 PM

You're all just annoyed that only us Brits got a sheep medal.

Tigrone 04-07-07 04:07 PM

I'm annoyed that the US medals were removed.
 
I'm annoyed that the US medals were removed without explanation. This is disrespectful and insulting. I strongly dislike the artificial substitute medals. They are not acceptable.

I am unhappy that Ubisoft has not replied to requests for assistance or information to fully implement the US medals in the game.

Lack of documentation and communication and unexplained reasoning are causing a good deal of confusion and frustration.

Snowman999 04-07-07 05:37 PM

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I was referring to the "The Silent Service Graphic Mod 1.1" made by CaptainCox. I like it very much over the stock opening movie...
Looks like something I'll be getting when I get the game (maybe post 1.2) The stock opening I watched on-line and it was horrible. Milton is fine, but the devs completely missed the spirit and attitude of the USN on 12/8/41. I don't think Euros CAN understand. We wanted revenge, not poetry about the futility of war.

I noticed SH3 didn't get a vid of Berlin in flames . . .


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