Hoorahhh For Auto-Installation!!!
 

:up: I am ALL in favor of the auto-installer method for GWX.
Hoorahhh!!!:rock:

Then why this nonsense:

"All you need to do then is temporarily rename your stock SH3 copy to say... "xSilentHunterIIIx" Make a fresh install from the SH3 disk... patch it to 1.4b... install GWX... and finally rename the new SH3 copy "SilentHunterIIIGWX" or whatever you like... make a shortcut from the executable to your desktop."

In a perfect world, I suppose the GWX team could upload two copies of their project, one for JSGME and one with an auto-installer. I guess they have a good reason for apparently not doing so, though.

Only a few weeks 'til Grey Wolves Expansion... Only seven days 'til best-friend home from hospital in Oslo... Only a quarter 'til Silent Hunter 4...:ping: Life. Is. Good.

Yes there are very good reasons which will become apparent at the time
So instead of a few complaints about something noone yet has - you have plenty of notice that you need a fresh 1.4b patched CLEAN install off SH3

So what are you waiting for

:rotfl:

Oh, did that ages ago.:smug:

Just that your computer needs six weeks to uninstall a game, doesn't mean that mine can't handle it in far less than thathttp://www.subsim.com/radioroom/images/icons/icon10.gif.

I'll put it off until GWX is out. Last time I uninstalled it I accidentally also deleted everything I had added for NorOps around Oslo, including a working battle of the Drobak Sound. Uninstalls are bad luck:roll:.

Why uninstall ?
I just make a fresh installation using the repair choice from the DVD - after making sure my current install has been renamed other than SilentHunterIII

Nooooo dont delete your Nor ops
Looking forward to that

I s'ppose so.

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Nooooo dont delete your Nor ops Looking forward to that

I'm working on it right now. No worries, it's proceeding as smooth as a torpedo breezing through clear water.

No it will not.

Nvdrifter's mod is an extremely honorable venture. However, its alterations to the U-boat damage model and Crew Efficiency have far-reaching consequences where I feel the negatives outweigh the positives.

For that mod to work correctly... crue efficiency values must be set to "false." All crew efficiencies in GWX must be set to "true" for DOZENS of things to work properly.

I have explored this issue carefully at length and repeatedly. We may include it as an optional mod for users AFTER the release of GWX with an attached explaination of what its possible negative effects are on GWX... but it is very unlikely to comprise part of the GWX core files.

I am not having a go at NvDrifter here. I hope all can understand though that I must protect the good things we already have. Our current U-boat damage model I feel to be one of our stronger points. It is nice and fragile as a U-boat DM should be IMHO.

Furthermore... we have had somewhat extended repair times over stock since GW 1.0... Granted these are nothing like the hours of fun you may get from NvDrifter's mod... but they are extended all the same.

Finally, my research indicates that typically damage received in the field meant one of three things.

1) Slight damage which could be repaired quickly

2) Heavy damage resulting in the loss of the U-boat (Includes surrendering)

3) Heavy damage non-repairable by crew causing boat to return to base.

Our current U-boat damage model reflects all three general fields... So when something isn't broken...

I'm going to be VERY hard put to let someone fix it. (unpopular decision maybe... correct decision... without a doubt.)

Regarding the auto-installer... Sorry guys, I have already explained our decision regarding it.

Furthtermore, it checks multiple files to ensure that the SH3 copy it is installing to is SH3 patched to 1.4b

The benefits far outweigh the negatives.

It is the "professional" way to do things. (no we aren't paid one single penny for our work)

You can still use JGSME over the top of GWX.

Our decision is made.:yep:

According to UBRS GWX will be out in the second half of december? Thats not a few weeks?

That's me 'up the creek' then; I don't have a fresh installation/1.4 and my Computer won't let me install or repair; as soon as I feed my Computer the DVD and try to do either of these, I get error messages.
I was hoping I could either install via JSGME or install 'over the top' of my GW 1.1a ?!

About a week ago I announced beta testing would begin in approximately two weeks.

The beta test session will last approximately 30 days.

The only other delays I can see is potentially having uploading difficulties to different mirrors. Uploading is a real issue to say the least.

For the release of GWX we will also need to have more than one mirror in place.

That's not the issue. I haven't seen anyone complain about that. The issue is the install path. If your 1.4b check is effective it will work regardless of the path so you can and should write an installer that suits all your users. It's not rocket science but it is good PR.

I'm sorry you feel that way mate. I feel differently and see it to be common sense that meets our aims. I don't see this as a PR issue at all.

It's already been explained to you why it's not going to meet your aims but is going to unnecessarily inconvenience some of your users. Since it's entirely possible for you to both meet your aims and satisfy all your users it can't be anything but bad PR.

I repeat: no-one is complaining about the need for it to be installed over clean 1.4b. No-one is complaining about the requirement for it to be installed intact. The only issue is where it gets installed. You have not provided the slightest reasonable justification to force it to only install over the default path.

I understood exactly what you said Potoroo. What you are voicing is your opinion.

This does not prevent multiple installations nor the use of JGSME. It does set up a favorable environment for the new user to make a successful installation on the first attempt. The final installation can be moved to a different directory with no more effort than selecting a different installation path.

More experienced users know how perform these operations. There is no decision that we can make that will satisfy all users. I am making every attempt to be polite where your repetitive posts are concerned. We will have the usual "bad PR" along with the good. It is only natural.

Now as I have already explained to you. Our decision is made.

My professional opinion, yes.

I understand that, but when it blows up and the complaints start coming in it'll be on the record that you were warned.

Taken under advisement. My professional response.

As many times as ive reinstalled SH3 over the last couple weeks, i honestly don't see what the big deal is.