Yes, but you still cannot notice military users most probably pay much more for completely different tank-sim than civilian users. :)

So count them as one cockpit. The same applies to M2A2 and M2A3 Bradleys - that's also one cockpit.

Nope, buddy! You are - possibly intentionally - wrong because I did not mentioned Leopard-2A4 but only Leopard-2A5 clones. Their cockpits are almost identical except tactical map display which is anyway accessible in other tanks too by pressing F5 key. Moreover I don't know why you mentioned their guns and armor differences because all that has noting in common with interior graphics. Simply stop seeking artificial arguments to improve poor interior numbers available in SBPro PE vehicles.

Yet those four "different" vehicles are basically variants of the same IFV. I suppose it is clear to you, isn't it? Of course marketing strategy advice to create as many "different" vehicle types as possible but customers should know they are not different models. Maybe instead of introducing tenth CV90 variant into this game eSim should think about modeling interiors of dozens of playable, yet still "internally castrated", vehicles?

We are not interested in your review of Graviteam games. You asked about any other game possessing many playable vehicles and I provided you with such title. You cannot disagree SFK42 with modes offers plenty of playable armored vehicles so you have started some rant about how bad SFK is. I think the "worst" is SFK42 mods are free while SBPro patches are heavily priced. That fact you cannot deny!


Nope, buddy. SBPro 2.640 patch is a month old. Don't mix up games with game patches... ;)

You still cannot spot what is my point. So my point is I strongly suspect military customers buy professional tanksim paying fifteen times more than civilian enthusiasts paying 125 bucks for significantly stripped down and open-sourced toy.

Now you really sound like salesman... :)

I don't even have to try SBPro PE to rebut your claims. SBPro PE users made it themselves! I have only needed to look at eSim forum to find out that. For instance in this thread many users complain that armor modeling of lightly armored vehicles is a derision. So eSim guys to rebuff them provided users with their BMP-1 frontal armor estimated thickness. Yet eSim guys included...engine as a part of frontal armor thickness! That finally proves PE game is a childish toy made for people knowing nothing about military hardware. :rotfl2:

Now I think brand-new Graviteam production - Steel Armor: Blaze of War - is much superior to SBPro overpriced oldie. It has much much better graphics and wonderful tactical commanding experience intelligently linked with advanced tank simulation. Let's wait for free SA:BoW mods and multiplayer patch. Then we will say goodbye to eSim toy. During Christmas Holidays you could buy SA:BoW for only...15 bucks!

I don't see any reason to continue this discussion with Skybird. I am sure other forum members will be able to draw right conclusions about SBPro PE game after reading this thread. :)

For the lazy heads once again: Why to wait a year for free patch that will address bugs introduced by payware patch you bought before? Isn't it too funny? Why to wait a year to be able to kill "panzer-engined" BMP without emptying all ammo loadout in your IFV?

Live needn't necessarily be so complicated! Here you are brand-new Steel Armor: Blaze of War - realistic tactical and simulation experience with stunning graphics costing you only...30 bucks! Remember - you will not be charged for patches. All patches will be free! Also multiplayer feature will be most possibly added! Next - in accordance with previous Graviteam's games tradition - free mods will follow transforming SA:BoW into a new benchmark of tanksim games. Do you really need anything else??? Of course not! :rock:

Yes, you cannot aim at ridiculous BMP's "panzer-engine" which is inflammable after hit! On the opposite this engine transforms majority of BMP frontal armor into equivalent of tank frontal armor. Do you ever hear about engine as part of frontal armor plate thickness calculations??? Moreover BMP fuel tanks also seems to be immune to enemy fire. That's essence of "reality for civilians" found in SBPro PE toy. :rotfl2:

Of course, because in "realistic" SBPro PE toy even hundreds of anti-armor DU rounds are not enough to kill BMP. I am sure you won't find anything like that in "Steel Armor: Blaze of War" - now premiere tank simulation software featuring modern tank warfare at tactical level!

Obviously 30 bucks worth "upgrades" you will be charged after buying SBPro PE toy for 125 bucks are OK, because each "upgrade" costs you exactly the same amount of money as brand-new and stunning "Steel Armor: Blaze of War" - new benchmark of tank simulation software.

You know - that's "an upgrade", not a patch! So don't hesitate any longer and buy "an upgrade" at once! Later wait for...FREE patches bug-fixing your "upgrade". :rotfl2:

Hi, guys!

Another SBPro PE flaws have just surfaced after latests pay-ware patch release! Read this thread on eSim forum:

It looks like not only BMP armor is a derision in this SB Pro PE toy but Challenger-2 tank overall capabilities, too! Its engine is very weak like some car engine, so this tank cannot keep up even with APCs! Additionally Challenger-2 cannot kill anything above T-72 and is on par with this ancient Soviet tank. In real life Challenger-2 is one of the best tanks worldwide - without any doubt!

Challenger-2 firepower is ridiculously weak in SBPro PE toy while in reality it possesses one of the best L-27/L-28 APFSDS rounds on this planet.

What eSim guy told customers on their forum is a clear idiocy! He "thinks" that armor penetration of old Soviet gun-launched "Reflex B" ATGM is 1300 mm. That is obviously not true - this ATGM has...almost two times lower penetration! Additionally this guy stated "SB, through some helpful information and educated assumptions from tankers, seemingly exposes those [Challenger-2] flaws " supposedly secretly guarded by British Army!

What a joke! What else will they figure out to rebuff customers??? It looks like entire armor protection model is broken in this toy, probably after applying 2.640 payware patch worth...30 bucks. Now premiere Western tank is very weak, and Eastern stuff rules thanks to silly too powerful ammunition and "panzer-engined armor improvements". Of course one should know today Western armor is way better than old Soviet gear but eSim guys don't care about such "subtle differences". However it is quite "understandable" - magical "game balance" is most important feature in all console games and...now also "military grade tank-sims for civilian market" sold for 125 bucks!

It seems they introduced first playable Soviet tank and subsequently "tuned down" Western stuff capabilities not to doom to certain defeat new T-72M1 drivers playing this toy... :rotfl2:

That's way now it's time to try "STEEL ARMOR: BLAZE OF WAR" - brand-new realistic and well-documented tank simulation software! In the basic package you'll get two historically balanced and carefully chosen tanks: Soviet T-62 and American M60A1. Now you can fight each other with full accordance with historical and technical realities - each tank has its own pros and cons but both are very-well suited for balanced tank battles on tactical scale.

In 2012 we can forget about ancient overpriced sim-toys, now we can experience real and beautifully looking tank-sims! :rock:

Gorshkov, you have a PM.

Gorshkov, enough is enough. I'm closing this thread.

Now, as I said via PM, you can either post your own thread, or I can just close every thread you comment on until you can't do anything but. Up to you.

I have a question regarding guided missile AI in SBP. Does the AI have the ability to acquire a new target while the missile is in midair already, when the original target got wiped out by something else ?

My artillery attack!