It is hard to believe that all this people live in the occidental world and thinks like arabs.:hmm::hmm::hmm:

It's OK. We forgive your ignorance.

:rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:Tkank you!!! :up:

In today's age of terrorism, great precautions must be taken when dealing with the threats, whether real or percieved, to public officials. In this case it is the public official, ie the President of the United States. With that stated, the purpose of all political protest is to encourage public action, whether it be voting for a particular candidate, not paying your income taxes, dumping tea into Boston harbor or, in this case, assasination. If the subtitle reads, 'Vote Democrat in 06', then we do not have a problem. The assumption is that the originator of this sign wants a change in political majority. However, the inscription read, 'Kill Bush'. One must seriously consider that this is the goal: Inciting the murder of the nation's chief executive. A 14-year old is self-aware enough to know what he or she is saying, especially those who are politically savy enough to coordinate a protest campaign. I know, as I teach them. As such, any citizen who acts in this manner should be investigated.

If every adolescent should go into investigation because thinks to kill somebody, our homes would be jails.

C'mon a little bit of common sense, please. :yep::yep::yep:

And in the USA, you can say "I hate Bush with a RED-HOT PASSION". Form a website with that. Nobody will come to ask you anything. Try that one in China, only substitue Hu Jintao. Or in Iran just substitue the Ayatollah Khomeinei. You can go right to the White House and hold up your dumb little sign saying "Bush=Hitler" with a picture of Bush having that little mustache. Go do it today in D.C. . Nothing will happen to you. Try that in North Korea but substitue Kim Jong-Il. Looks like there are a few people here who need to get some education.

Again, this is clearly not an impulsive action of an angst-filled teen. This is a coordinated political statement which, by definition, is intended to influence the action of one's fellow citizens. As such, you may, as Sea Demon stated, carry a sign that reads 'Bush=Hitler'. That would be plenty offensive to many people without crossing the line where one begins to encourage leadership change through violent means.

Thank you. You don't have to explain yourself, it's the girl that has to do the talking. I'll just be a moron here and sit with the Father of the girl who also seems to disagree with her catch phrase.

My dear fellows.
I will have a dinner with a nice lady tonight.
I enjoyed this afternoon with you.
Keep this thread alive.
Good nite.

I have not seen a single proof that this 14 year old girl is a clear and present danger to the american president.
Did she have an arms cache under her bed ?
Was she part of a terrorist organization ?
Did she incite hate and murder through conferences, myspace, etc... ?
Was she brainwashed by the men in black ?

It is a real pity to see just how much terror was infused into the american society in the last 5 years.
Notwithstanding what americans may say, the USA has lost its sense of perspective on what is important.
The 9/11 attacks, had a devastating blow at least on a subconcious level on the american people.
Its like an adult man suddenly realizing its own mortality and becomes afraid because of this realization.
Americans discovered the hard way that their country is not invincible and certainly not invulnerable.
And this, has had a devastating psychological impact on their society.
Fear has come out of 9/11.

You have very little understanding of the American public and their psyche. We have been fed up for years with international terrorism, it's just that 9/11 was the straw that broke the camels back. Until G.W. Bush became President, we had no leadership in this realm. Clinton let multiple terrorist attacks occur with no response. Also, I think it is Europe that has lost it's sense of purpose and will to survive IMO. You won't produce babies, you allow floods of very fertile Muslim populations into your countries, you allow terrorists to influence your leadership ala Spain after the trian bombings, and you critisize those that actually work to fight radicals in the Middle East. You critisize those who actually enforce those Iraq UN resolutions you pushed so hard for after GW1. And you clearly don't understand what the Secret Service is, how they function, how long they have done this, and why.

goldorak, you're a good guy, and usually quite logical, but get real here.

It's funny to see people from outside the US telling us what America is like.

You’re way off base here. This has nothing to do with 911. It has everything to do with breaking the law. A crime was committed and the appropriate authority with jurisdiction was sent to investigate the crime. That’s all that happened. She was questioned.

She wasn’t imprisoned.
She wasn’t tortured.
She wasn’t harmed.

911 or not, the Secret Service would have investigated this. If it happened 20 years ago or this morning, it would be handled the same way.

If she threatened to kill her neighbor, the local police would do the investigation. Since she threatened or suggested the killing of the president, it becomes a case for the Secret Service. That’s how it works.

What really amazes me is that far worse atrocities occur daily around the globe, are reported by credible news sources, yet everyone turns focus to the poor little girl in the US.


US bashing is a hobby for the truly ignorant.

Just a few of items. It is a federal crime to threaten the life of the President of the United States. This law is in place for good reason; Abraham Lincoln, James A. Garfield, William McKinley and John F. Kennedy. Wars have started because of assassination, World War One comes to mind. The law does not differentiate due to age, race, political affiliaion, or creed. The law is the law and all persons in the US are subject to the same law per the 14th Ammendment to the Constitution.

Lastly, but not least, teenagers are certainly not the demure innocent children we might like them to be.

Eric Hainstock, 15, a student charged in the shooting death of his school principal was a normal teenager but often bragged about getting into trouble, a neighbor said.
Jeff Weise,16, shot ten people in Minnesota.
Charles Andrew Williams, 15, attack on fellow students and teachers at a San Diego area high school, which left two dead and 13 wounded.

These are but three examples, there are many more. Age is not an aliby.

[quote=goldorak]I have not seen a single proof that this 14 year old girl is a clear and present danger to the american president.
Did she have an arms cache under her bed ?
Was she part of a terrorist organization ?
Did she incite hate and murder through conferences, myspace, etc... ?
Was she brainwashed by the men in black ?...quote]

That is what the Secret Service does - they go and check on whether or not this is a threat. They have to, by law. Has always been that way, and this happens all the time. So what? Is that 14 year old in jail? The answer is no. So what is the issue being raised exactly? The Secret Service doing their job? Nothing happened to this girl which is why I don't understand this thread.

If you want to put it into perspecive, they have the right to jail her and keep her there for a very long time for what she did. What actually happened? Nothing.

This has to be an Anti US thread and nothing more. Just my 2 cents.

-S

How many people here have beeon outside of their native country?

And to which countries did you go to and how long did you stay?

Did any of you stray from the "Tourist Attractions" to see the common populace or did you stay in the cozy hotels that were provided you?

I have been to Canada, Mexico, Australia, New Zealand, Israel, Egypt, Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, and I plan on seeing Europe on my next foreign tour.

I spent a month in the South Pacific (early 2001 and it was not really a tourist trip in the traditional sense, but a self-tour of the East coast of the Australia and a few days in NZ), that was when I was 14 years old and was the first time on my own (without family that is, it was with a group of people in a student ambassador program called People To People). (And in case you're wondering, no I'm not rich, I did fund-raising to pay for most of the trip myself).

The Middle East I toured the next year (Mid-2002, with family), I had my 15th birthday in the artists' district just outside of Jerusalem. However, I do not plan on going back to any part of the Arab controlled territories unless I'm armed, and even then I wouldn't be comfortable going back there. I had seen enough with my own eyes to discern the truth, unclouded by naive or set-in-stone pre-concieved notions of the countries I was visiting. Did any of you ever know that arab controlled countries will refuse your entry past the border if you have an Israeli stamp on your passport? Quite friendly to their democratic neighbor aren't they?

And quite contrary to your statement Von Capo, seeing and living in a nation to see with your own eyes what life is like there is of utmost importance. Not only does this allow you to draw your own conclusions based on personal experience, but allows you to see the raw and unfiltered truth.

Shortly before the Second World War, Stalinist propaganda had showed outdated film showing lines of people waiting for bread, the poor, the dirtiness, the starvation. This they proclaimed, was America, a nation whom is unable to feed her citizens and is devoid of the life that Communism has bestowed on the great citizens of Russia. Russian peasants were starving in the countryside, ineffective collectivisation of farms were being organized, effectively destroying the status-quo of the agricultural industry, many people were shot or sent to Gulags for supposedly having loyalties to other ideals or groups than Stalin. The NKVD ruled the lives of the people, with Stalins' blessings.

When in reality, the United States was a booming industry. Standards of living was on the rise, jobs were being created under FDRs' New Deal legislations, and life was steadily improving well into the late 1930s' and beyond. The people could express their opinions, albeit to a limited degree as the remainders of racism within society had yet to be fully purged. Yet the majority of people could live without fear of voting the "wrong way" during an election, and when the peoples banded together, they had a voice for themselves.

Had any of those russian subjects been to America to see for themselves what life was like, none of them would've returned to Russia.

As for your excuses to trust the media and avoid seeing those nations for yourself is nothing less than plain ignorance. As for me. I'm not quite finished yet, but I have a feeling I may be touring NK in uniform in a few years or so, depending on the COA that our gov't takes. But I'd also like to tour Europe, Russia, East Asia, parts of the Phillipines, and perhaps Africa before I declare a final judgement of opinion on those areas. Although that window of possibility for Africa is quickly becoming smaller as the months pass without action in Sudan and elsewhere.

And to address the subject at hand:

The girl broke the law. And with murders having been committed by children her age, the threat is legitimate. If not to the President, then to her peers in the least.

http://www.crimelibrary.com/notoriou...ung/index.html

And if you'll recall, 9/11 could've been prevented had the FBI and other agencies/administrations not bungled things in such a horrifying manner.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...2004Jul20.html