Originally Posted by Spaxspore

(please forgive any spelling/grammer mistakes)
OK i have to jump in here about the german tools of ww2. Yes they did have some pretty advanced weapons compared to the allies in the early years of the war 39-42

But once america joined in thier advances in certain areas were not so proment.

First, lets compare infantry weapons.

Main field infantry weapon of the US(rifle)
-M1 Grande .30-06 Semi auto 8 round emi-block clip

Main Field infantry weapon of the German Army (rifle)
-8mm K98k bolt action w/ 5 round internal mag.

I own both of these weapons and shot both weekly at my local firing range. The M1 grande is a supior weapon

why?

1.30-06 is a more powerful then the 8mm, higher velocity and better stopping power
2.You can fire 8 rounds and reload with the ingenius block clip 10 times faster then u can with a k98k using bolt action and a stripper clip


Main sub machine gun US- Thompson/Grease Gun

Main Sub Machine Gun Ger- MP40

.45acp owns a 9mm... trust me
Stoping power and higher cailber


Main Pistol US- Colt cailber .45 semi Auto 1911

Main Pistol Ger- Walther p38, Luger 9mm

same reason as above, stoping power and higher cailber
I own both btw (p38/1911)

As for machine guns, i would take a mg42 over a 30cal browning just because the mg42 had proven its self to be the best ww2 machine gun of the war.


Now off to the aircraft

Who had the better bombers= US
WHy?- Germany had no true hvy bomber. Thus it couldnt deliver the payloads as thier american counterparts could.


Who had the better air craft- US
Why?- Earlier in the war 39-43 Germany had the advantages in numbers of aircraft, and the Folk wolf aircraft was thier best fighter of the war.
But in the long run compared to the US, the Mustang was a fair supior aircraft, in speed and manvablity.


Tanks-
German had the best tanks hands down, both in armor and firepower (88mm tiger owned)

However what they lacked were numbers and reliablity, against the US, and russians they couldnt compete. Russians were using the T34 as thier primary tank which was a American design manufactured in mass numbers in Siberia in Russia. It was very quick compared to the germans and had good fire power for its size.

Same goes for the Shermans, however the shermans had horrible armor compared to the german tanks, and they lite up like a match box if they got hit.


Field Guns-
German 88mm Field gun was the best gun in the war.
Why?
1. Range
2.Firepower
3.All purpose gun, AA,AI,AT you name it, it couldnt kill it

So yea hope that clears up some stuff for you guys, i would type more but i think i got my point accross.

Originally Posted by Lovro

Germans didnt use the same tactics than US. They built their squad tactics around MG42 (which is still used today in a lot of armed forces- MG3) so Kar98 sufficed, US had a diffrent approach so they needed better rifles. And WW2 mauser rifles are even today still used because of their supreme accuracy
And you forgot the Mp44 world's first assault rifle.

But you could say allies cougt germany in later years of the war in terms of technology but the thing is germany allready had new generation of superior weapons prepared by then (Me262 first jet fighter, V2, Mp44, XXI u-boat, air to air heat seeking missiles, new genaration of tanks...) but because of allied bombing raids these weapons were never produced as much as they were ment too.

Originally Posted by Spaxspore

First, lets compare infantry weapons.


Now off to the aircraft




Tanks-



Field Guns-

Originally Posted by sordid

First of all - if you find something I write offending, this might be due to my poor command of the English language. So when in doubt, before getting angry, simply ask what I actually meant.
I am a German citizen, born in 1975.
After this disclaimer now for my actual question:
Why do so many people here obviously enjoy taking the role of a German soldier during WWII and what are your feelings towards this rather delicate detail?
Having read this forum for the last few days almost excessively, I am absolutely sure that the vast majority of players here is aware of the German history, at least concerning the Third Reich.
When reading forums that deal with landbased warfare games, you easily get the impression that many people, especially Americans, would absolutely refuse to play as a German soldier. Now this is a pretty hard contrast to the enthusiasm I see in many fellow subcommanders here on this board.
I can imagine a few reasons for this.
Naval units, in opposite to army members, were never going toe to toe with their opponents. Hardly any visible blood, no guts flying around.
The navy was not corrupted by massacres against civilians, opposed to army soldiers.
But on the other hand, they were sinking ships full of civilians and their enormous success especially in the earlier days of the war was a pretty important factor why Hitler was able to maintain power that long and bring his wrath and destruction over the whole continent (and beyond), resulting in over 50,000,000 people dead and another 35,000,000 wounded - not to mention the tragedy of the Holocaust.
Now how do you justify playing as a member of the German navy to yourself?
Do you think the same way I do? In PC games, I personally don't care who is getting killed by whom since it's only a PC game and I am extremely fascinated by mastering the technical and navigational challenges as well as setting up traps for "enemy" escorts.
Or does anybody have a completely different approach towards this?
Well - I'm just curious!
Take care!

Originally Posted by STEED

Sordid, I have no problem playing WW2 Sims, after all it's not real. OK, they are based on actual events of WW2 and some people may find that offencive but I think that's a little over the top. And at the end of the day it's only a game.