scandium...you said that 9/11 occured before the Iraq War (the second one...)?? I think you should recheck the dates. You'll find you are wrong...by about 2 years. ;)

The picture looks funny, but the whole plot is not. ANFO is extremely easy to make, a 5 year old could do it on a budget of 20 bucks.

Sounds bad but I feel that muslim immigrants should be turned away from this country and muslim groups displaying any violent or radical behavior should be monitored heavily and deported if they have any violent plans. It's so irritating that these primitive bastards want to murder innocent citizens in our own countries. They need to get out and kill themselves, hell if I care when they're dead.

Well, I think the Saudis may have the Iranians outperformed in terms of financing. But nonetheless they're all the same.

And so it continues. A police spokesman initially stated, and incorrectly it was later admitted, that this group was Al Qaeda affiliated when they aren't. I offer up that additional tidbit of information and its almost as if by doing so I'm defending the terrorists to see some assert so strongly that it makes no difference. Okay, if it makes no difference what we call them, why not call them FLQ or IRA? I mean, those are terrorist-affiliated organizations right? Same thing right? To me, not the same thing, but then I haven't been indoctrinated into whatever culture of ignorance and stupidity that this dumbing down of everything properly belongs to.

* Fahim Ahmad, 21, Toronto;
* Zakaria Amara, 20, Mississauga, Ont.;
* Asad Ansari, 21, Mississauga;
* Shareef Abdelhaleen, 30, Mississauga;
* Qayyum Abdul Jamal, 43, Mississauga;
* Mohammed Dirie, 22, Kingston, Ont.;
* Yasim Abdi Mohamed, 24, Kingston;
* Jahmaal James, 23, Toronto;
* Amin Mohamed Durrani, 19, Toronto;
* Steven Vikash Chand alias Abdul Shakur 25, Toronto;
* Ahmad Mustafa Ghany, 21, Mississauga;
* Saad Khalid, 19, of Eclipse Avenue, Mississauga.

Those are the names of the terrorists.

Muslims all the same, doesn't matter if they're al qaeda. Islam is a pollutant and it is the only freedom that should not be allowed that currently is.

There is a structure called Al Quaeda. but it is more important to realize it's mental presence inside heads, it's character of it's deeds being an example for others. Al Quaeda greatest threat potential is that now it is an idea, a motivation, a thinking pattern, a way of gaining superindividual identity: the feeling of being part of something bigger. And that is attractive for quite some people. You could wipe out Al Quaeda organisations and sub-cells militarily, but Al Quaeda still would be there. You must also find a way to deterr those who potentially might share it'S way of thinking from doing so. How? I do not know. Mayby only brute force would work here. What will not work is a soft, psychological approach: Al Quaeda founds it's acting on an aggressive warrior-religion and a faith of rightful demanding all world, and being individually superior.

That won't happen so you'll either have to learn to live with it or move to one of the few remaining countries that practices religious intolerance.

I totally agree with you Skybird. This is bigger than just killing different groups of terrorist radicals. The ideology of hate being bred within needs to be confronted. It's scary to think that there are some who don't understand this. It's even scarier to think they consider themselves to be the West's intellectuals.

I think dealing with this problem is going to have to be multi-faceted. And we're going to have to throw away the politically correct nonsense that prevents us from doing the things which will help us defeat the threats. For example racial profiling at airports. And stopping immigration from countries where there are large contingents of people who despise you and want you dead, or changed to their ways of seeing the world. I'm not sure if you agree Skybird with my last statements.....but I know we see eye to eye with the understanding that Al Qaeda is more than a group of people with a culture and ideology. It is a culture and ideology in itself.

All countries are religiously intolerant, and increasingly so: you are not accepted to be against Islam. The EU even turns it into laws that lacking support for Muslim immigrants in your personal deeds comes under penalty (they call it discrimination), and presses for more opening of the EU towards Islam. Political correctness is about to be silenced when you question the wisdom of this policy. Islam is in the offensive, everywhere.

Learn to live with it is some decades will translate into "become Muslim", or be part of a discriminated minority. France in fourty years will have a Muslim majoirty of population. Next Netherlands will fall, Belgium. Next Germany, Spain. Then the rest of Europe. During that time, somewhere, Canda will get increasing problems deriving from this stupid policy they have in Quebec. The last Western nation being Islamised will be the US. They will be overrun from Canada.

Your use of the term "religious intolerance " is absolutely queer here.

the new pope seems to be a little bit more clever than the last one, who was an absolute desaster for the chruch, imo. Benedict entered the term "reciprocity" into the relation between Catholizism and Islam, and demands that principle being practoiced. To what degree remains to be seen. Paul II wanted a completely onesided giving, and accepted the other side to only take, but never give anything substantial.

I am sure that trying to profile Islamic assassins and terrorists is a complete waste of time. They do not have a profile that rasies attention. They are trained in to exactly avoid that kind of profile. At least that is true for the non-amateurs amongst them. Mind you that after the strikes in London police was warried that the identified attackers did not fall into any kind of their profiling patterns. They were having background of assimilated, fully integrated members of a multicultural society. Getting a face desription for an amoeba promises higher chances of success.

Yes, it has become an ideology in itself, or better: a more consequent interpretation of an almost existing ideology.

Skybird, the US has a population of about 300 million to Canada's 30 million and we are similarly ethnically diverse with about the same rate of population growth. How do you see the US being overrun from Canada?

Then on the other extreme you have leaders who simply think you can declare war on it and fight terrorism with the same conventional forces that you'd employ against an enemy state. While befriending and arming the Saudi Arabian dictatorship where a curious number of these extremists seem to originate from.

In the same way Europe surrenders itself to Islam. it is about the power to form opinions, and influence them. Building ideological spearheads. Getting infleunce on inner policy, education. By that widening Islam'S basis, being able to influence decision making on foreign policy.
What is different in the US is that opposite to Europe, Islam will meet a strong fundamantalism that is opposing Islam, that is the Christian right.

Al Djazeera currently opens it'S English international program. they declared it their intention to become the gloabl leader in information business, even leaving CNN & Co behind. They have a good chance to acchieve that.

Add to this influental dynasties of the American plutocracy, for example the bushs, are said to have strong personal and economical ties to Muslim lobbies like - Saudi Arabia. America can't trust such leaders. Also, it's unwillingness to reduce it's dependece from oil (like Europe), and as you pointed out, it's stupid belief that these processes could be labelled "war on terror" and then could be prevented by means of military warfare does not help to increase America'S position here. It has many ressources, but it does not make wise enough use of them, and it accepts to overstretch its lines.

The most dangerous thing is this "political correctness" in opinion building and public thinkng. By this Islam will try, and does, to turn our own laws against us, and it is very successful in that. Then there is the power of demographics. The birth rate of "fast breeders" :) simply outclasses that of the american white, like it outclasses that of native Europeans as well.

I do think indeed what we see is a new war between europe/the West, and Islam, the third or fourth one, depending on how you count. The first ones Islam fought with sword ans spears, and after bitter fioghting they finally lost (and their own arrogance: in france they were defeated although being numerical superior 3:1 becasue they were not able to give up the plundered goods they had stolen from all over France, and so were very immobile). This one Islam fights wirth birth rates and demographics. And it's representatives know that very well, even lable it like I do, and talk ob "jihad fought with demographic bombs", as I red it some weeks ago. with climbing number sof Muslims babies born in a host, their demands grow, and their nattempt to influence legislative, becoming the centre of social wellfare, attracting ressources for getting integrated and buidling an image that forms in local resident'S minds that these poor and friendly people must be supported, and that they are served best if more Isdlam is tolerated, and more, and more. that'S what we see in Europe, and when it is correct what I read in newsppaers, it forms up to become a probolem in Quebec as well. It will not stop there.

In the past we "got beaten on the neck" (Quran's term for beheading), we got confronted with military terror (during the foirst Vienna siege, all farms and villages inside a 100 km got burned down, people slain and often brutally humiliated and tortured to death, even children. It formed the West's image of the Turks for generations, it was an intented act to stun christianity by confronting them with sheer horror), attacks, and huge armies. Today we get smiled to death, by that being overwhelmed and at the same time being left defenseless. what can you do if your attacker is smiling at you and is friendly and isunaware that he is a pawn that is used to spread a certain ideology? It is not humanitarian to expel such helpelss, friendly people, isn't it? We get overrun. the political left even opens more gates, importing voters of which 90% will vote for them. the article I loinked to illustrates that real deals are made that way: votes for money, votes for influence.

Skybird, for you: DETERRING THOSE WHO ARE ALREADY DEAD?

Good point. Let's ask Mr. Romero for advise, then? :doh: