Re: Rags over Riches....
 

Typical male! :down:

To the woman He said, "I shall surely increase your sorrow and your pregnancy; in pain you shall bear children. And to your husband will be your desire, and he will rule over you.
(Genesis 3:16)

Iceman, if i may ask what you think of that Benny Hinn character i saw him on TV the other day healing ppl in the name of Jesus, hes on a world tour and was in Indonesia , in front of a crowd of 500,000 and counting. He healed the sick, cancer patients, a boy in a wheel chair, etc., He would touch them and they would fall and shake upon the ground, sweating crying and do all that other devil out of me stuff it was pretty amazing to watch him perform but a part of me was going this is total BS. :D

Than again i dont know he could be for real

That he - or someone like him, there are so many - does "world tours", and celebrates himself in front of 500.000 tells you everything about him you need to know. Trust your mind, use your brain, check your intuition. You already feel the doubt, you say. Listen to it. Scepticism is your friend, and it is a legal attitude of mind, helping you to separate "believing" from "knowing by experience". Other people's experience with this guy are of no help for you. And if they claim to have been healed, or enlightend, or delighted, or whatever - of what use is this for YOU?


"Do not put faith in traditions, even though they have been accepted for long generations and in many countries. Do not believe a thing because many repeat it. Do not accept a thing on the authority of one or another of the sages of old, nor on the ground of statements as found in the books. Never believe anything because probability is in its favor. Do not believe in that which you yourselves have imagined, thinking that a god has inspired it. Believe nothing merely on the authority of the teachers or the priests. After examination, believe that which you have tested for yourself and found reasonable, which is in conformity with your well being and that of others." (Kalamas Sutra)

And don't forget to Google.

Sadly, we here have a handful of our own. :down:

FFS, what crap is this? FYI, the EUROPEANs started massacring the Indians, oh and the UK got rich and was able to start the industrial revolution thanks in part to the triangular slave trade, after the destruction of the natives. (Yes I know once the Brtish Empire got rich it abolished the slave trade and the good ol RN stopped it but still) Which helped create the working and middle classes of the modern world...

Re: From rags to riches?
 

@ Bradclark1:
What The Avon Lady said.

Unions are no less important today than they were 30 years ago. I do not know exactly how the situation is in the US, but here in Europe, unions have grown in importance the last years. This is due to the brutalization of the work market caused by more liberal laws. Since the work market in US traditionally is more liberal than that in Europe, i'd guess they're even more important over there.

Perhaps if the owners of those industries had taken out less profit, the industries wouldn't have to move abroad.

Skybird says it all.... a tree is known by it's fruit.

Benny Hinn I know very little about but look at his deeds...what is he doing?...if he is healing the sick and curing the blind in Jesus name that is the key...it is done by the power of Jesus name only...nothing of Benny Hinn.

It was commanded by Jesus on his departure to do just what you say he was doing, heal the sick, cure the blind etc....it was also said by Jesus if they doubted him how much more would they do unto the followers.

Sounds to me like a compliment on Benny Hinns part he is doing something right.It was also said beware of wolves in sheeps clothing....but a wolf can only hide so long until his ravenous true self peeks out.Indeed the road to hell is wide and many there be that go down it and the road to heaven is narrow and few there be that find it.Jesus said what I tell you I tell all my servants....Watch.

The doubt Skybird talks about goes all the way back to Thomas who wouldn't believe until he touched the wounds of Jesus, but blessed are those who believe and have not seen.The Holy Spirit was sent after Jesus ascension so we were not left as orphans.

The Holy Spirit is the Teacher, the comforter, the one who will guide you into all truth.Seek and ye shall find.

Revelation 21
[6] And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely.
[7] He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son.
[8] But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

Christ has already won the war on the cross and eternal life is a free gift, paid in full with the blood of God's own son...it can't be earned, heaven can't be broken into.One must enter in thru the door.Welcomed as a son and heir to the kingdom.

Re: Rags over Riches....
 

Well thank God for this one huh Avon... :)

Revelation 22
[3] And there shall be no more curse: but the throne of God and of the Lamb shall be in it; and his servants shall serve him:
[4] And they shall see his face; and his name shall be in their foreheads.
[5] And there shall be no night there; and they need no candle, neither light of the sun; for the Lord God giveth them light: and they shall reign for ever and ever.

At one time, the unions were very necessary here in the US. Now they have grown massive and exist simply to feed the union. They protect the 'bad' worker and give the 'good' worker no incentive to work better. It can be wonderful if your job is protected by a union, but if you are in management and non-union, it is almost impossible to get rid of a non productive worker.
I've been on both sides of the coin, and my father was a union organizer years ago. He was very pro-union, but he saw the way the unions were headed in his later years.

Exactly. The unions here have basically gotten too fat and greedy. As a result they are pricing themselves right out of the ever more global market.

Personally i've never preferred collective bargaining. I can make my own deals and I've found i can often do much better than union scale without the automatic adversarial relationship with management that's found in union shops.