I can say that in Finland a silent MAJORITY is against this policy of unilateral appeasement. It just that it takes alot to get us loud about it. One reason is that there isnt too many imigrant here, if we had communities the size of Holland, Sweden, Denmark and problems in the same scale, Finland would be near a civil strife. Finns are quite conservative, we have ALLWAYS through entire history of our parlament, had a right wing majority. The socialists have only ruled by the principle of divide and conquer.

I noticed the author citing in his second paragraph:

Sustaining the population of a nation requires that on average each couple gives birth to 2.1 children. The average European couple now has fewer than 1.4 babies...

I'm willing to accept his statistics here as you need at least an average of 2 children per family just to replace the parents and its well known that for generations the birthrate has been declining in the West, so his figure of 1.4 also looks about right.

Faced with a declining population of our own what would be your solution? Tougher immigration to keep foriegners out which ensures, based on the current birthrate, a shrinking population and with it a shrinking taxbase. The net outcome being we will simply depopultate ourselves into non-existance. Or are you in favour of selective immigration from another culture with which to replace our own dwindling numbers with? If so which of these culture(s) is acceptable to you? Another approach that might work would be the criminalization of birth control/abortion to increase the birthrate of European "stock", though as that would alienate a very large percentage of voters it would not be an easy thing to enact. Is that a solution you think acceptable?

I'm curious as to how you think Europe should handle the multicultural issue while still sustaining its current population.

Sadly I agree.

You make me want to move me and all my family to Finland ! Good stuff ! :up:

Import more South Americans (pref. Brasil and Argentina) :-j

Still good Catholics and thus breeding like rabbits.

That's one possible solution.

edit: the selective immigration solution.

Start here.

I would welcome you and your family in an instant. :up: http://virtual.finland.fi/

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Only one group, only one belief-system, distinguishes itself by appearing incapable of fitting in. And that is Muslims, and Islam. For their belief-system does not envision a Holland, an Italy, an England, a France. Islam does not distinguish between the various components of one single unit, the Dar al-Harb, the regions of the world were Islam does not yet reign and Muslims do not yet dominate.

What further decline do we actually wait for in Europe to finally deal with this problem ?

When it's too late ?

The ironic part is that the treehugging bend-over believers in absolute Human Rights and thus apologists for Islam are digging their very own graves as their extreme liberalism will have no place in New Islamized Europe. Silly cretins.

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We have the right to choose who we take, first of people are given points by the skills they have, then by the cultural combatability. Someone allready said South America, i agree. I also feel that East Asians are generally easily assimilated and contribute alot to society.

Thanks ! :up: I am seriously tempted, and will now try to persuade my GF to accept it's really in the best interest of our kids to leave their grandparents behind asap :D

Articles a bit long-winded but their solution seems to be a two prong approach:

1. The solution is to stop all Muslim migration to the Lands of the Infidels, and wherever possible, to reverse it.

2. And along with it, in ways little and big, the country can be Islam-proofed the way a house is child-proofed.

With the first prong we're back again to the declining birthrate issue, given the 1.4 birthratre figure for European couples which is not high enough to sustain a population with. #1 does nothing to address that. Also, on the "reversal" side, there's the issue of mixed couples where one spouse is Muslim and the other is not. Its even more complex if they also have children: do you break apart the marriage by deporting the Muslim partner? Or do you deport them both? And what of their children, what do you do with them?

The second prong is somewhat independent of the first one. It would require passing legislation which would require a government that's not worried about a likely public backlash. Do such politicians exist in Europe? Do they have popular support or are they on the fringe?

But Europe is beyond that point, having ignored those for so long.

Okay then you favour selective immigration as well as Sixpack. To its credit such a policy has in its favour that it does address the birthrate issue. We could also call this "immigration reform" where the goal is not to seal the border, but rather to restrict immigration to selective groups.

I am really not qualified to answer but I would say families should stay together as long as there's no divorce. Just a thought. No matter how you slice it (pardon the pun), this will be ugly and unpleasant.
Hardly.
The latter at present. Sadly, often those that have some level of support are generically xenophobic.