Islam cannot be tamed.

For example these excerpts by H.P. Raddatz, my critic of choice - most Muslims do not know half as much on Islam than he does, and noone bites harder than he does:

Quotes:
"Der Dialog mit dem Islam wird umso mehr zur Hilfseinrichtung für den Islam, je unbeirrter der Dialog darin fortfährt, den Kampfcharakter dieser Religion durch die Fiktion von Toleranz und Friedfertigkeit zu verschleiern. (...) Die gesellschaftlich Verantwortlichen fordern die ständige Verinnerlichung von Toleranz, ohne allerdings gleichzeitig mitzuteilen, aufgrund welchen konkreten Interesses die aufnehmende Bevölkerung die islamische Zuwanderung fördern sollte. Es fehlt die Information, womit ein solches Interesse zu begründen wäre und auf welcher Art von Identität die neue Toleranz aufzubauen hätte. (...) Europa ist dabei, sich völlig mißbrauchen zu lassen im Namen der Toleranz und des Dialoges. Man erlebt eine langsame Infiltrierung der Strukturen ... Ich bin ebenso für eine Öffnung zum Fremden wie ich die Integration von Strömungen zurückweise, die die Demokratie ins Wanken bringen und universelle Werte in Frage stellen, um ein regressives und obskurantistisches Weltbild durchzusetzen, das vierzehn Jahrhunderte hinter der Zeit ist. (...) Bei der taqiya (arab.: Vorsicht) handelt es sich um eine zum islamischen Glauben gehörende Verhaltensregel, die es dem Muslim zwingend vorschreibt, seinen Glauben zu verleugnen bzw. weitgehende Konzilianz vorzutäuschen, wenn es sei-ner persönlichen Situation oder dem Islam generell dient" (Raddatz: Islamexpansion, S. 63). - "Unter dem Schutzschild dieser Verschleierungstaktik ließ sich umso ungestörter die Strategie der schleichenden Islamisierung verfolgen" (ders., Von Allah zum Terror?, S. 179). Speziell in der als feindlich erlebten Diaspora "geht der Djihad in die Form des Wortes über, vorzugsweise in die Gestaltungsmittel der Täuschung, wie sie bereits von Allah und seinem Propheten vorexerziert wurden" (ebd., S. 167). Soche Strategien sichern gegenüber der für Muslime schier un-glaublichen Gutgläubigkeit des "Dialogs" einen entscheidenden Vorteil, denn: "Ein auf Täuschung geschaltetes System, das auf ein System trifft, dem die Fähigkeit zur Erkennung der Täuschung fehlt, begründet die klassische Konstellation von Betrüger und Altruist, die sich in jedem Falle zugunsten des Betrügers stellt. (...) Im Zentrum des islamischen Rechts steht die Gewalt als Pflicht. Was man in Europa bislang nicht verstehen wollte oder konnte, ist die im Grunde einfache Dynamik einer vormodernen Ideologie, die sich religiös legitimiert. Sie besagt, daß Macht im Islam derjenige übernimmt, der den Geltungsanspruch des islamischen Rechts durchsetzt. Aus Sicht der europäischen Toleranzidee ergibt sich eine fatale Konsequenz: Die Muslime sind zur Anwendung von Gewalt nicht nur berechtigt, sondern um so mehr verpflichtet, je weiter sich die Geltung der Scharia ausbreitet. (...) Vereinfacht lässt sich sagen, ein Christ missbraucht seine Religion, wenn er Gewalt anwendet, und ein Muslim missbraucht seine Religion ebenso, wenn er Gewalt nicht anwendet."

This is from three essays of his. I have red four major books by him, not the most easiest and shortest lecture. He also is co-author of the Islamic Encyclopedia (that I do not own), which is one of the leading academical standard works on the matter.

He lives under protection by the BND since longer while now. Muslims have sworn to kill him.

translation of the text above:


Dialogue with Islam becomes the more an assisting tool for the cause of Islam, the more unwaveringly the (West's attempt for) dialogue denies the militant and aggressive character of this religion and hides it with the fiction of tolerance and peacefulness. (…) Those that are responsible in our communities demand the ongoing internalization of tolerance, but without telling us because of which concrete interest of ours the hosting population shall welcome the ongoing Islamic immigration. The information, how this interest should be justified in reason and argument, and on what kind of new identity the new tolerance shall be based upon, is non-existent. (…) Europe is busy with allowing itself being abused in the name of tolerance and the “dialogue�. One is witnessing a slow but enduring infiltration of Europe’s structures… (…) Like I am in favour that we open ourselves for the new, the foreign, I reject the integration of influences and social powers that put democracy at risk and put universal values in question, in order to establish a regressive and obscure view of the world, that lives 14 hundred years behind present time. (…) Taqjya means a rule of behaviour that is part of Islamic faith, that mandatorily demands the Muslim to deny his Islamic faith, or to feign a conciliatory attitude, if it is of use for his personal situation or Islam in general. Under the protective shield of this cover up, the strategy of sneaking Islamization could be followed without resistance. (…) Especially in the diaspora, that is experienced as being hostile (Skybird: for Islam everything that is not Islam, is hostile), djihad changes (Skybird: from military conquest) to the use of words, to the formal means of deception, like it already had been exemplary practiced by Allah and his prophet. Such strategy secures a deciding advantage for Muslims, against an unbelievably credulity of the “dialogue�: a system that acts by the rules of deception, and that meets a system that does not have the ability to see through these deceptions, forms the classical constellation of defrauder (cheater?) and altruist, and that inevitably, in every case, ends in favour of the defrauder. (…) at the center of Islamic justice/law there is the principle of violence as a duty. What in Europe so far no one wanted or no one could understand, is a simple dynamic of a pre-modern ideology, that legitimizes itself by use of religion. It says that in Islam power is taken by that person that pushes through the totalitarian demand of ultimate validity (“Geltungsanspruch�) of Islamic law. From the perspective of European ideas of tolerance, there is a most fatal consequence because of this: Muslims are not only legitimized, but even are obliged to use the more force and violence, the more the validity and influence of sharia expands. (…) Said in simple terms, a Christian is abusing his religion if he uses force and violence, a Muslim abuses his religion when he does not use force and violence (to expand Islam).

Always refreshing to hear intelligent life from Germany.

Very good selection of quotes. That's exactly the reason why Islam can be a powerfull force against western civilization, but also why using it as such is to play with fire.

And here is where the west has an advantage, unlike the Islamic world we live in a dynamic society, and the struggle against Denmark gave us the opportunity to spot, mark and weed out the vermin within, supporters of a naive "monologue" with Islam, of better Islamic integration that would inevitably lead to a homogenic Islamist culture. Europe will leave this crisis more aware than ever before, while the Muslim world and the Islamist strategy remains the same.

Lol...dats making lemonade outa lemons...gj :up:

This crisis? Is only a symptom, the tip of an iceberg, a process of infiltrating Western laws and social structuires to anchor enough Islamic influence there that with time going by it can project more and more influence and interfere with the comstitutional self-defintions of Wetsern states without beeing attacked by them in self-defense.

Will write an essay on the vital problem of the socalled "dialogue with Islam". Our twisted percepotion of this "dialogue" is the biggest threat europe is facing today. Becasue from within our middle parts of our most vital institutional structures are collabporating with Islam and push it's interests - and even are not aware of it.

Do you mean Europe Skybird or the West in general? I hope your essay is in English, sounds interesting.

Europe will do just fine if we check the Islamists, end imigration from muslim countries, start immigration only from east-asia and stop expanding after the balkans. :hmm:

Where is Iceman now with his bible quotes ? :lol:

Deamon

four horsemen of the appocolypse

Dear Mr. Dhimmi,

Wake up.

You will soon have no freedoms to boast about.

Best Regards,
Avon

The EU and Europe's cultural identity
 

@ The Avon Lady:
A very graphic and shocking expression of the radical Muslim view on a basic human ('Western") freedom.
I have a gut feeling that she considers freedom to vote and freedom of religion just the same...
:down:

Re: The EU and Europe's cultural identity
 

Why do you assume that this is a "radical" Muslim view? What do you base your minimilzation on?

Tell us what "moderate" Islamic teachings state about the same subject. :hmm:

The statement on that demonstrator's sign is 100% representative for Islam's understanding of freedom on the basis of Sharia. There is no freedom imaginable outside the coverage of Sharia. A muslim opinion putting that in doubt and agreeing to concessions in this is in principle a heretic who alrready have lost faith (and deserves death penalty, according to Sharia and Quran). That is NO radical or fundametalist interpretation of Islam - it is heart and core of Islam "as is".

I'm in the finishing phase of a new essay of mine, on this queer thing this "dialogue with Islam" is. There especially this detail is treated en detail. ;)

Oh no! Not another one!

Someone stop him! :arrgh!:

I don't hold a weapon at your head to make you read it, AL! ;)

It also holds a premier, since I upgraded works suite 97 to works suite 2005 (I love ebay: 12 bucks... :lol) ), I finally have a working English spelling correction (for English it was broken in Words97 if running under win XP) :)