Thought this would be the hot topic here also, i was right. Clash of the cultures comes one step closer. :know: Cant see how the EU could continue the talks. EU was the last chance for the Iranians to stop the nuclear program. They count that US cant afford a nother war and that EU is too weak to enforce the security councils decisions. I hope that neither is true. :roll:

One thing's for sure, this does not help Iran's case at all if this issue goes before the UN Security Council, especially when all the major EU countries (including permenant UNSC members France and Britain) have now strongly condemned Ahmadinejad's statements. I am beginning to doubt even Russia or China would veto a bill authorizing force against Iran to end it's nuke program if the issue was voted on by the UNSC, which is the only body of the UN that has any power or relevance. Hell, only the permanant members of the USNC have any real power, because the temporary members cannot veto, so they're basically just along for the ride.

that's the thing.

We have a muslim religion that's bordering fascism in certain countries. Yet we are being politically correct about it and get b!tch slapped by these towelheads. There's no money for a second full war like Iraq (and no people). So Iran will keep pushing it's nasty agenda until one day they get nuked for it by americans who ran out of patience to deal with this bullsh*t. That's what it looks like and this is bloody scary.

Man, the world is so complicated. Before if there was this kind of crap - there was war. It was nasty, but it resolved the problems and established a winner and loser. Today it's so different. And fekin towelheads and mullahs do whatever they like, i.e. call for destruction of a country, in the open. Slap the with embargos, and starve them to death. Stop buying their oil, and they can eat their sand, camels and kuskus.

No I don't agree :down:

China has a special agreement with Iran to get oil from them, and will never allow that the country gets harassed by a war. They will vote "no", and if the US does something in Iran, they will not make an open war to them, but probably an echonomic one (If they release to the market the huge amount of external debt from the US they own, the dollar will collapse and the US will not have capacity to import anything). Iran is well aware of this, that's why they are acting like that.

Russia will probably negotiate a bit....they have their own problems in Thechenja, so they might agree voting for it if the US supports firmly in the UN Putin's antiterrorist campaigns.

Anyway, my belief is that Iran is just trying to make a provocation and abuse from the fact that China supports them. I don't think they will really do anything against Israel, but if an armed conflict starts, it will sure not involve DIRECTLY nor the US or China....it will be some kind of "underground" war. Doing it openly would be too risky, and also unnecessary. :huh:

I doubt very much the Chinese would do that, as they'd be hurting themselves far worse than the US. The Chinese economy is mostly driven by the American consumer, and without US trade, their economy would collapse and their citizens would probably be stuck with North Korea standards of living. China needs the US far more than it needs Iran.

What he said. Several years ago China got all upset because some wanted to drop China as "Most Favored" trade status. Besides they like Buicks over there now.

russia is acctualy supporting bush in the war against terror the chechen rebels are acctualy al quieda terrorists and as soon as bush announced the war putin also said we will fight along with britain.

iran was to have more submarines from russia but russia stopped it russia doesnt agree with iranian polotics and there fore wont trade anything anymore

thats my understanding on it

wether or not it happens another thing

Lavrov said that this is absolutely rediculous thing that this Ahmedinzadzzzanaan said. They did the same thing as other have done, and issued note of protest to the local ambassador. He also said today that if anyone wanted support for taking the whole issue to the security council, now it's much easier in the light of what was said, and it put their credibility (what credibility) about nukes into another perspective. I think the whole thing came in as a shock to Russia as much as it did to the US.

There is definately something's going on, because all of a sudden this thing's happening, while for like 30 years nothing of this nature was said in public. But this guy just went out onto this Anti Zionist World Forum and said wipe it off the face of the earth (Israel). IT's very interesting because I don't want to underestimate and just say the guy is an idiot and racial moron. So it has to be a political move. To test how far the west will go? To test it for others to see?

And yes, Russia should get it's sh*t together and knock it off with the Iran energy stuff, its just money, short term, what's Iran as a LT partner ? - a backstabbing muslim/fascism state. Bleh. (would be a bit bizzare but imagine if tomorrow Israel just does a 'strike' on them, takes out that loud mouth president of theirs' and that's that.)

:) They've been fighting from the beginning of time and they'll fight to the end of time, or until they're all gone. It's really not worth the amount of media attention it gets as it doesn't affect our day to day lives.

Talk about unashamed ignorance, if it wasn't for the ignorance of massive regions of the Middle East--mainly Muslims--we wouldn't be dealing with this ****. After decades of Muslims swearing their love of Allah and murdering thousands of innocent people in suicide attacks, many of us infidels are getting fed up with it. Basically, people here are beginning to fight hate with hate, tolerance is not going to last forever, you know.

I mean you peace-loving and educated Muslims better put a lid on the nutcases who are bringing down your religion. If Iran attacks Israel, the US will pull the gloves off, we all know that.

I don't know, mate. This kind of thing could easily spiral into nuclear war. It would be a lot better if the civilized countries could stop wasting time and agree to impose limits on nuclear proliferation. This is dangerous ground.

honestly saying..both parties should have nukes. Then they can threaten each other as much as they want :D

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06:00 and now time for sleep :zzz:

Thanks for the admission. But the old schoolyard excuse, "He started it or did it first" doesn't cut it for me. I doubt that Islamaphobia, intolerance, and hate is going to solve the problem but then again I guess for some its the easiest and the weakest thing to do.

This problem was years in the making. You ask Muslims to put a lid on these nutcases? How can you expect a problem like this to just be solved by us in no time. This is going to take years to sort out. There are no bandaid solutions. You can either try to support us in dealing with this issue or you can take the easy route as exhibited by people like Sixpack. I remember when Caspofungin introduced himself on the forum you made a comment that it is good to have some people from Middle Eastern or Muslim backgrounds on this forum. I doubt though that this diversity in people is going to grow though with some of the discourse on this forum. Sad really.

I ask one question......Are you on the one going to serve on the front line?

So now the Americans are stealing 'mate' from us Aussies like the 'Ugg boots' :-j

On a serious note, I would like to ask what is a 'civilised country'? I know to me it is living in a western democratic country, like you Mr. Stevens. But to others it maybe different, it depends on what you grow up with IMHO. Also how can you really stop another nation developing nuclear weapons, when Mr Bush was talking about developing new and also using them like the 'Bunkerbuster'.

Look I know I sound like a broken record, I don't hate you Americans, but who else is there to talk about. Ain't going to say you are like 'Rome', the problem begins with the Russians, the Russians they don't do much except die in a drunken vodka mess since '91, the Germans don't even know what has happened to them since '45 as Cartman says "Beep tree loving hippies." The French well they keep getting stomped on, but keep eating swamp food (snails and frogs!), maybe that is the problem. And than come the bloody English, who gave them the right to build the 'Greatest Empire'. Did you? Did I? I reckon not, especially since they stole Ashes off us!!! Only Crims come from England!!!

West Indies v Queensland
WI 3/300 +
(is it the time of the mighty West Indies back?)

:rotfl: Which race or country don't cry about history when things have gone wrong for an entire people? :hmm: Lets see

Anyhow as a practicing Atheist (yes I am Heathen), I couldn't really give a crap about your religion. If you want to play 'religious wars' (the biggest fairytale is religion) go frig off to another planet (make sure it is inhospitable) cause your hatred passes to the next generation.

And AVON LADY, I ain't anti-semite either......I hate religion full stop!! For religion brands people, and 'normal' people have the same beliefs. And actually since that night :oops: , been doing abit of reserach and watching programs about Israel (am I getting ill :D) . 'The Two Caves' I think the story is called, where the Romans built a fort on a cliff and waited for the few remaining Judeans who had escaped from the smashing of the great temple and fortress of Judea. (see the Jews always causing troubles, caused another revolt :P ). Anyhow I learnt that land should be actually name Judea, not Palestine, Palestine is basically from when the ROmans smashed the lands and drove the Jewish peoples away.