Re: Saint Cindy demands US end occupation of New Orleans
 

Thanks for illustrating your lack of psychological insight and emotional compassion for human beeings all by yourself. Frees me from the need of writing another long essay about just this.

If my "son" (have none) would join the military against my wish and would be send into a war about lies and would get killed because of more lies - I probably would not have too good and friendly memories on my mind when seeing military flooding the streets of a local desaster area where the misery would have been less if there would have been more mandatory civil help service earlier and lesser military afterwards. she also might draw conclusions about her country's mentality when seeing the poverty, and even more: the civil violance on display. If america would really be like it richer ones claims to be, NO would not have happened to become that worse. A better national help service and a more mandatory social basic attitude would result in better and faster helping results, and a better social climate to live in would result in lesser violance in the streets (no matter if there is a desaster or not, it's also true towards the high crime rate, and the weapon fetishism). Katrina ripped off a mask, and especially here in Europe many conservative people took notice with much irritation. It was not what they expected to see. I linked to a comment on the stunned-by-surprise reactions especially in some easteuropean countries some days ago. What was written by that commentator about Hungary I have heared from a friend in Poland as well.

And since people go wild here about that quote of her, let'S give some more balance to the discussion, by remembering another quote ion that blog:
Noone complaining about this radio talk?

then maybe this? :
And near the end, she concluded like this:

Hard to disagree with that.

Saint Cindy demands ...
 

Thanks for another personal attack, Mr Psychologist. I feel almost honoured...
Well, this becomes a new Kathrina thread then:After a few weeks the real picture emerges:
- For financial reasons (both business and tourism) the mayor of NO delayed an order for mandatory evacuation.
- Although President Bush declared a state of emergency two days behore the hurricane hit the coast on Monday, Aug. 29th the Govenor of Louisiana did not make any specific requests for Federal help until Thursday Sept. 1st (source: Time 9/19/05).
- The Fed. Emergency Management Agency responded woefully ineffective, because the reorganisations and its poorly qualified director Brown, for which Pres. Bush is finally responsible.
It was a disaster on an unheard scale of and yet - the deathtoll seems to be much lower then expected and when the National Guard started operating, order was quickly restored and an efficient rescue operation was started.
Pres. Bush has taken full political responsability in order to stop 'blame games', just as a real leader should. He alotted $ 60 Billion to help the area recover, and - knowing the American spirit a little bit - it will.
You are overtly pessimistic and critical again. Sometimes you even give the impression of barely hidden pleasure when antithing - terroritst, nature, you name it - gives you a plathform to vent your Anti Americanism which goes far beyond any constructive form of criticism.

Saint Cindy demands US end occupation of New Orleans
 

No, I don't, this thread is about Cindy, not about Pat Boone. I have no other sources about this argumentation then Cindy and honestly she doesn't really qualify.
But feel free to open a Pat Boone thread on this...

No, why should I. I told you the woman is ignorant. Stating that the President of the United States "has never known a day of hard work in his life" is either sad or funny. Perhaps she's a leftist stand-up comedian...

Also a NoNo.
You should know that many problems have risen from people judging about the true 'Christianity' of others.
But still the women does have a sense of humor!
:rotfl:

Oh another political thread. Sunday afternoon... :zzz:

What should we say then? we have election day over here! :lol:

First years I handed a voting bilett with two words instead of two crosses : "intentionally unvalid". Last time I already was in doubt if it really was worth it. This time I'm sure and let them play all alone. Schroeder and Merkel tete-a-tete - if so, it will be the happiest couple of the year :lol:

Ok you obviously don't understand the concept of proving a negative, so let me explain it to you. Instead of picking your example, lets pick one everybody can relate to.

Say we demand that you prove to us that you don't steal candy from babies. Maybe you do, maybe you don't, but regardless, how do you prove what hasn't happened? Should you be forced to research every instance of reported baby candy theft throughout history and provide rock solid alibies for each one? Good luck.

Do you see the point now? If you want to accuse someone of something then the burden of proof is upon you, not the person you are accusing. It has to be that way in any civilized discussion.

The US went to war never bothering to prove iraq had WMD. So much for your civilized world discussions. :hmm:

Saint Cindy demands US end occupation of New Orleans
 

I really do not understand what that has to do with the way we discuss on this forum.
I have never said to people that were against the Coalition invasion: "Saddam Husseins sons used to rape young women and shoot there husbands. So much for your civilized world discussions." I really don't see the argument here...
:-?

Hindsight is a wonderful thing ain't it? Just don't confuse that with foresight, or take it as gospel, nor believe that WMD alone was the only reason to take Saddam out.

yes you do. it's about the necessity to prove something, which your country on top level disregarded. You don't like that so many in the world are against this adminstration - tough, it's a fact. Many people are afraid of america because it acted like germany in the end of 30s when it told the world to sod off because they knew better what's more important for their national interests.

Your own media was afraid to hold Bush accountable becuse they didn't want to take the responsibility for losing the war in Iraq- as it happened in Vietnam. But now, look at how they are ripping into Bush after Katrina. That's how they really feel. That's how many feel about Bush, including the 'nutcase' Cindy.

anti-semitic
This term is used way too much.
Get a grip. What exactly is anti-semitic about that comment and for the life of me I can't see where it "smells like nazi propaganda".

[quote="Type941"]yes you do. it's about the necessity to prove something, which your country on top level disregarded.[quote]

Prove what and to who? You? Sorry our President takes an oath to serve the people of the US, not a bunch of nosey foreigners.

You don't like that we seem to care very little for your opinions, or for that matter your nazi comparisons. That's tough too, but guess which one of us will loose more sleep over it.

But not a majority in this country according to the last 4 national elections in spite of the left dominated medias best efforts, including outright and deliberate fraud and forgery. But you go ahead and align yourself with the DU nutcases, Dan Rather and Cindy Sheehan if you wish, that won't change the results of our next election one way or the other.

yes, half your country less few hundred thousand think you are wrong, but that's irrelevant apparently. Oopsie.

Nazi comparison? Just the way you go about war - well, believe it. You bomb when you feel like it, and your sheer arrogance about the fact and so many die because of this is dispeakable. :down: :nope:

Saint Cindy demands US end occupation of New Orleans
 

Since I used the term "anti-Semetic" I feel that it is up to me to defend it.
I agree that terms implying racism - of which anti-Semitism is a sub-species - should not be used without good reason, because they can kill any discussion by tainting the opponent.
On the other hand, we have to admit that anti-Semitism didn't capitulate on May 8th, 1945.
In our case Cindy Sheeham accused Bush of fighting the Iraq war for Israel. I have to caution thet I have not seen the real quotation, I think it was even worse, but O.K.
Anti Semitism is blaming bad accidents, policy disasters and misery in general upon Jews, Zionists or Israel, such without any factual foundation.The masters of ant-Semitism were Julius Streicher , the Nazi specialist in sexual anti-Semitism ("The Jew wants to impregnate Arian girls in order to bring our race down" and propaganda minister Joseph Goebbels, the master of political anti-Semitism ("The Jews are our misfortune").
One theme of Nazi propaganda in WWII was constantly blaming 'international Jewry' for the war. The theme was that the Allies were manipulated in fighting Germany by an conspiracy of capitalist (at that time: "plutocratic") and communist (at that time: "Bolshevik") Jews.
They think they are fighting for their own goals, but they are no more than puppets on the string of 'the conspiracy of International Jewry'.
I clearly remember seing a Nazi propaganda poster in the Resistance Museum in Amsterdam - it surely can be found on the web - displaying Roosevelt, Churchill and Stalin with their national flags and, in the dark background, a fat rich Jew (displaying all the anti Semitic charactaristics the Nazi artists were experts in) with a cigar and big smile. The caption was: "Hinter der Feindmächte, Der Jude" (Behind the enemies, the Jew).
That poster was IMO clearly anti-Semitic.
Now:
Goebbels said that the Jews were manipulating the U.S. to fight against Germany.
Chindy Sheeham is at the least suggesting that the U.S. is fighting on behalf of Israel against Iraq.
You can cal her position an 'opinion', you can call it a 'one-liner', but it is hard to disagree that it does smell like Nazi propaganda.
Now for me it is a great good that in a free world we can rightly or wrongly criticise the U.S. and its President. However, with some forms of criticism you can find yourself in the company of gosts with black uniforms who are marching and singing songs of Jewish blood dripping from their knives and have the skull & bones symbol on their caps.
That is the moment for a little bit of selfreflection: "Didn't I go a little bit too far?"
:hmm: