sorry to keep posting like this but

http://forum.keypublishing.co.uk/showthread.php?t=31013

news article being discussed in another forum they have compleated the second borey in just 6 months

might have got my figures wrong :oops: but here a defence report

You're obviously quoting diesel boats. SSNs and SSBNs are a different story. They need to average 3.6 launches per year to achieve this figure. Not possible with the level of technology they are supposedly intergrating into the boats.

If it's true that with the new funding, a borey hull was finished in half a year, I think they are starting to get these things outfitted much much faster than before. I think they've budgeted more for next year still, for the military.

3.6 launches a year well so far we have had

tambov, st petersburg , the borey (cant spell name), rys,kugar (unnofical reports state sevdvinsk)

so thats 5 or 6 submarines this year

All of which have been in some stage of construction since the late 90s remember.

It'll be interesting to see how fast they get the new SSNs and SSBNs to sea.

I guess we all know it's possible since they have done it in the past, it's just a matter of funding priorities. Money wise, they CAN do it now, but it all depends on how they use the money; I'm very much against throwing it into the military, as I feel it has to be used to build a strong economy. The US economy is a huge bubble and will be struggling more and more in the future. If Russia wants to gain some leading positions in the world it must be done trhough economy, being a valuable parter in world trade and making sure its people are prospering. That's what gives you power, not 40 nuclear submarines. Because at the end of the day, the only way military makes money is by selling weapons to the likes of China, but that's peanuts when compared to the whole economy.

I seriously doubt the Russians are going to have 12 Borey's AND 25 Sevrodvinsks within 10 years. Seriously, the US Navy is only going to have a dozen or so Virginias 10 years from now, and even if they ramp up production to two boats a year they'd still barely have 20, and we're talking about the nation that has by far the world's largest military budget and the world's largest warship production capacity.

if russia ewnt back to cold war (not going to happen any time soon and this is fictitious)

then america could not and cannot compeate with russia

so far about 6 vessels have been launched and they have compleated one hull within 6 months so 2 a year is feesable infact i could immagine 4 a year from russia and it comes from a good source.

this year alone 2 boreys a lada and sevdvinsk and another kilo have already been built add that to the oscar that was finaly complated and the laying down of the 3rd borey and 2nd lada means its pretty big

Lada - that looks like the Seawolf, doesn't it? Or just typical American sub, with stabilizers on the conning tower? I seen one dock picture of it, do you have more?

I just learned to be honest about all this new generation of subs they are cranking out. I wonder if we have some Jack Ryan reporting on the Russkie acitivity in Polyarni again. :rotfl:

sure i have a few

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y26.../lada038cl.jpg
stern

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y26.../lada027ds.jpg
propellor

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y26.../lada017vu.jpg
sail

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y26...navy01/012.jpg
tail of the rudder

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y26...navy01/011.jpg
sail again

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y26...navy01/010.jpg
sail and masts

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y26...navy01/009.jpg
most of the boat

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y26...navy01/008.jpg
bow

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y26...navy01/007.jpg
sail close up

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y26...navy01/006.jpg
sail again

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y26...navy01/005.jpg
bow note the tube doors

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y26...navy01/004.jpg
whole submarine

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y26...navy01/003.jpg
sub at a distance

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y26...navy01/002.jpg
sub at the pier

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y26...navy01/001.jpg
again at the pier

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y26...kilo_877_4.jpg
thort you might like a kilo for comparison

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y26...kilo_877_3.jpg
another kilo


there lada amur class

Don't be foolish; The economy of the United States is nearly ten times bigger than Russia's (ultimately, strong economies are what build and support strong militaries), and Russia will not and cannot EVER go back to cold war defence spending levels unless it goes back to Communism, which allowed that level of spending through complete and absolute government control over the entire economic/industrial base.

Oh, there's no doubt about the size of the US economy, its just that it's a bubble economy and all bubbles burst sooner or later. The simple laws of economics will take over at some point. You can't live forever in debt.

Basically, what happens to a person who keeps borrowing, buying nice things, borrowing more and more? Once something happens (his employer lays him off) and he can't make payments, it's not so nice.

The more deeper problem is that when you produce LESS and consumer MORE - it's bound to end in a collapse. The question of collapse of the US economy is not an IF but a WHEN. And trouble is, when it happens, it'll put the whole world into recession. But as you said yourself, only the communist government can supress the economy and even than it fails. My advice is not to borrow money and buy things you can afford - this way when the crisis happens, won't be affected by it so much.


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OT, sorry. The Lada does look like a new Kilo and that water is just nasty! The boat looks nice though, especially that rather complicated hull casing. What is it? Seems like some different textures on the conning tower alone.

Although it looks very crude built, I don't know if that's actually normal for a warship. Perhaps after my Audi I expect panels to be very tightly adjusted. :)

did you not read the bit in the bracket fictitious !

americas economy will fail one day already done it once no reason why it cant again

coff coff rubber coff coff :D

And what does that say about Russia, who's total debt acounts for 41% of it's GDP? Also, only 17% of the US national debt is external, vs 80% for Russia. Internal debts (essentially the government's debt to it's taxpayers) are far more sustainable than external debts, because it's not like the taxpayers can muster enough leverage to make the governemnt pay up on that debt, unlike foreign leasor nations. Of course all national debts do create inflation, with obvious consequences.

As a side note, it'd be very hard for the Russian government to develop internal debt, as it seems almost nobody in Russia pays their taxes anyway :D.