Two SubSim programmers had access to the SH2 code. First there was Duane and he coded Programm Messerwetzer. But the second programmer that would code the bug fixes for Programm Messerwetzer and/or more improvements never actually started coding. :-?

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This topic was worth starting for the comedic value of posts alone.

The key here is no one and I mean NO ONE even stopped to consider how much it actually costs to make a cd and ship it. The actual cost is $7.50 to $10 if you factor in your time aswell. It's actually the amazing amount of excuses against purchasing a hypathetical cd but everyone who posted even with the "It's not something I would be interested in" would definately download it freely if available and if they say no they're lying.

The point of the thread which most missed, well actually there was a few points but I'll just stick to the main one, was that the cd was for people that wanted a "hard copy" and was at no profit (actually a loss) which means it was a favor essentually to fellow people in the community. I was actually going to even throw on other mods for them for their convenience and maybe even make a all in one mod installer because some people posted that they wish there was one.

Not only did terrapin jump on it quickly but he couldn't resist to come back when he stated he wasn't going to post further in the thread. He even went so far as to insinuate I was starting a business adventure to sell the mod for a profit. You guys can read up and read his post easier than I can quote it lol-I'm too lazy ;) Pi$$ing on my leg and trying to tell me it's rain doesn't work. have nothing against the guy, I don't even know him. Most and I mean most totally didn't even obviously bother to read the first post which stated the above concerning it was a fee for people who may want it on a cd and that it was at no profit which totally amazes me.
Everyone go back to the very first post and slowly read each post carefully to see how almost everyone totally jumped the gun.

I don't hold it against you all because I've done it before myself. It's again human nature and was shown to me in my psychology class the very first day. The teacher handed out 1 sheet of paper with instructions and the very first line was "if you are reading this then place it on your desk and turn it over" the rest after that was a list of instructions such as shout out this word or that word and do this or that. At least 1/3 of the class missed the first line because they had jumped to the middle of the directions. A effective demonstration of human nature.

The actual fact that no one stopped to factor in is that the cd is $5 dollars plus the cheapest shipping for those who want it but as stated the actual cost is around $7.50 plus the time to do it. here's why:

-the cost of a good quality cd: approx $1.50
-the cost of fuel to get the cd's and to go each time to ship a cd $1.09 per LITRE
-the cost of packaging for shipment- around $ 4.00
-if I was to do a direct download-cost of site not in amount
-credit card-cost of transaction not factored in
-paypal-transferring money from my paypal account to my checquing account costs me money that paypal takes for a transaction fee
-my time isn't even factored in

I hope people think (actually read slowly lol) a bit in the future before they leap and I hope the people who stated it's not a mod they are interested in, won't download and use it when it is released, but the rest of us all know the answer to that. the discussion was would people pay for a cd ( a minimul amount ) and shipping if they wanted a cd copy but instead it was "insinuated" as though I was trying to start a business selling the mod to make a profit by 1 person in particular which after the X1 thing kind of surprised me.

But anyhow when I thought further of the time to do this for people I began to realise that it wasn't a good idea because 10 trips to ship 10, then i pictured 20 then 30 and my thought was no freaking way that's too much of a hassel. I don't want to have to make a site either for direct download etc I have enough with starting up my clan again etc etc.

Anyway all have a good one.

I even jump now in and come back. My calculation:

Euro 0,65 for a quality (Verbatim or similar) CD, in fact much lower if you buy them in 100 piece packs

Euro 2,50 for actual postal fees

Euro 0.10 for a bubble-wrap packaging

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Subtotal : EUR 3,25

Now, if you intended to charge 15 USD, that would clearly be a commercial venture. Nothing against it, as I said. But I wouldn't buy it - as stated.

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Show me international shipping with a $60 dollar insurance for that price please and those costs for packaging in canada, because the prices I stated are canadian and here it goes by package dimensions and weight (which is how they get you) If I was to use puralator courier as a example it would be roughly 30 bucks us to ship to the states alone. A example well 2 examples:

1) I got a guitar pedal from the states to here cost me 36 bucks in shipping fees for a guitar peddal !

2) I sent my brother 3 standard mail sized letters because he moved..cost $6.99 for 3 letters !

Again it doesn't negate the fact alot of you's jumped the gun. Backpeddling doesn't change it. Your amounts are local letter mailing fees and not international shipping fees obviously.

You still failed to factor in my gas to do it and time to do it and the money paypal takes off to transfer it to my chequing account or to do credit card transactions. There not free you know lol though I wish they were. Remember I'm not in Europe..

Man if it's that cheap there I live in the wrong country.

You don't have to so why keep posting it ? A simple sorry would suffice or just say hey man I jumped the gun my bad...It takes a bigger man to admit when he's wrong.

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I forgot purolator nailed me with a added 24 bucks for border fee crap aswell. So much for free trade.

You should try to sweeten the deal for these guys- offer a trial pack of Viagra or some of these other discount medications we keep hearing about from Canada :yep: I bet they'd shell out to get their pills for cheaper than you get them here!

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rofl that's a good one. Like I said putting it on a cd and sending it to peeps is too much of a hassel. It was a nice thought but .... :damn:

Never.

I already shelled out for the game.

By the time a superior mod is developed, if that's possible -- keep in mind we do NOT have the SDK for the game -- anther game with superior gameplay and graphics is likely to be released.

I'd rather save my $10 for something else, given I buy a game maybe once a year anyway.

It would be nice if someone (KiloAlpha4) would create CDs for those who can't download things from the internet or don't want to do it.
I know a Close Combat site where one guy is doing this. You can send him money to burn the contents to a cd. He has done some additional stuff to make installation easier. So the main idea is ok for me but I would like to have the chance to download your mod KiloAlpha4 and see the payment option as an additional oppertunity for those who don't can download your mod.
Or is it because the download is to big and the bandwidth coasts are to high (the Close Combat site http://www.closecombat.org/CSO/index.php had lot's of trouble with the monthly coasts).
If it's a payment for your work I wouldn't mind because everone can free decide if they wish to pay you for your work.

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The payment was only to cover the costs and shipping. To make a actual small profit I'd have to charge $29.99 plus shipping which I wasn't doing that's why the cost was $5 plus shipping. So say if you paid 20 bucks total and it got lost in shipping, it would be insured for $60 so you'd be making a 200% profit lmao. $60 dollars is the standard insurance. The point again is that it was a idea I was tossing around.

Highly doubtful there is going to a better sim besides sh4 and that wont be for another 2 years I estimate. Although I don't know what they have planned for the addon.

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ubirazz....that kind of sucks. I have read aswell that every modder has essentually broke the sh3 eula agreement for sh3 in all mods made lol

From the license EMEA EN.txt

It is not permitted:
- To make copies of the Multimedia Product,
- To operate the Multimedia Product commercially,
- To use it contrary to morality or the laws in force,
- To modify the Multimedia Product or create any derived work,
- To transmit the Multimedia Product via a telephone network or any other electronic means, except during multi-player games on authorised networks,
- To create or distribute unauthorised levels and/or scenarios,
- To decompile, reverse engineer or disassemble the Multimedia Product.

I assume that unpacking any .dat file is covered in the last one lol. According to the EULA everyone making or using mods are :arrgh!:

Now that' a harsh eula ;)

Huh, who are you quoting ?

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I was looking around for any sh3 official addons info and I found this thread on X1's addon http://forums.ubi.com/groupee/forums...3/m/9931037933

I thought I had seen somewhere that ubi was releasing a addon for sh3. Maybe it was just wishful thinking on my part.


Wow everything in there was a released mod. I didn't read the full post until now. Of course it doesn't state the quality of the 22 missions lol. I'm wondering if he's still going to try and release it for $29.99 now that he was busted. Anyone know what's going on with the X1 saga ?

Lmao I also found this http://www.subsim.com/sh2fleet_forms..._downloads.htm

Now I know why terrapin was trying to discourage anyone from buying the cd ;)

Is that even legal to sell taken it's from a movie protected under copyright law ?

I wouldn't buy it ;) That stuff should be free right terrapin. Any realism mods in there ?

I wouldn't pay for a mod unless it was programmed like shareware.

Which means you could install it, try it out, then after 30 days or 30 runs or whatever you can't play it anymore unless you register and pay the fee.

Because with a payware mod there's no quality assurance, no refunds, and no reviews. You don't know what kind of quality you're going to get until you buy it. The maker might claim it's wonderful and bug-free, but you've only got his word for that. And with a payware mod, you don't know how good it is until after you've paid your money and tried it.

For all you know, you might be paying for a mod which causes a CTD and is useless to you.

So no, unless the payware mod distribution, installation and payment procedure was EXCEPTIONALLY user-friendly, I wouldn't risk buying it.

What a payware mod-maker might consider doing, that I would appreciate, is to create two versions of his mod - a lite version with limited features which is intended as a taster, this can be downloaded free. And a full version, which people pay for.

Personally, I have no problem with a modder charging for his work. As with all business transactions, this will be self-regulating. If the product is 'worth' whatever price is set on it then some customers will buy it. Charge too much for what the user gets, then you get no sales.

As with several other people, I am quite happy with the graphics (don't see much of them @ 100% realism anyway), so I am unlikely to be a customer.

Generally we get a fantastic level of free mods on this community, so maybe we are a little spoiled expecting everything for nothing. We are lucky, and I assume it is for the same reason I make my mods available to others. Not claiming anything great - my mods are always small tweaks, nothing like the complexity some people get up to. However I don't make them for everyone else, I mod sections I think need improving for my own benefit, and usually thoroughly enjoy doing it. The additional time spent making them available to others is nothing. The point being that I would mod anyway for myself, and to then make the mods available for anyone who wants them is by far the shortest time and effort of the whole process, so why would I want to charge for 2 minutes uploading them to a website or e-mailing them to the nealmeister?

The final point is that we are damn lucky to have a vast resource of free mods, so if a few people want to charge that's ok, as you can always choose not to buy.