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Dowly 11-23-23 10:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mapuc (Post 2893080)
About the shooting the best evidence there is out there is Zapruder's 8 mm video clip.


Markus

Quite. Just not that version of it which has been post processed to the point it is useless. :o


Here's a better version:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HBJFT-OyDEc


If you go frame by frame (use . and , on your keyboard), you can see the forward motion of JFK's head as the third shot lands, further proving it came from behind.

Otto Harkaman 11-23-23 11:35 AM

^ ? you can see at 0.20 to 0.21 he is struck in the front of the head and his head goes back :-?

Dowly 11-23-23 11:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Otto Harkaman (Post 2893095)
^ ? you can see at 0.20 to 0.21 he is struck in the front of the head and his head goes back :-?

You'll have to look harder. Go back few frames before the hit and pay attention to JFK's head: it is stationary, then on the frame you see the impact his head moves very slightly forward before then reversing direction backwards.

You can see the forward motion better in this gif:
https://www.jfk-online.com/Closeup_312-313.gif

Jeff-Groves 11-23-23 11:49 AM

JFK wore a back brace. The impact from behind would push him forward but that brace would cause the backwards motion.

em2nought 11-23-23 12:15 PM

I wonder where we'd be now if this had never happened, just like I wonder where we'd be now if the last "election" wasn't the sham it was. No Vietnam? No Ukraine? No Israel? :hmmm:

Sean C 11-23-23 12:42 PM

I made a video about the assassination after I found two autopsy photos of the President which can be used in a stereo viewer. This gives a full, top-down, 3D picture of the President's head wound, with what's left of his brain still intact. I posted the video on YouTube 14 years ago. It's gotten well over half a million views since then.

The photos have been available on the internet for decades, and still are. I thought it was unbelievable that no one seemed to have noticed them before. I thought other people would feel the same. But mostly, I just get comments about how much people hate bagpipe music. :/

I also made a gif that alternates between z312 and z313, the two Zapruder film frames which show the President just before and just after the fatal shot. They clearly show the President's head move forward a few inches at the instant of the fatal shot, before he slumps backward.

As I've said in the video, and in the comments: I don't know if there were multiple shooters. I don't even know if Oswald was involved at all. But after looking at the 3D photos and the Zapruder film, I believe the fatal shot came from behind the President. The wound in the photo is entirely consistent with the Z film. And I think it would be rather difficult to fake a 3D photo and an 8mm film in 1963 with no computers.

Here is a link to the gif: Z Film gif You can easily find my video on YouTube.

Jeff-Groves 11-23-23 01:24 PM

I shoot high power airguns.
I have set gourds on stands useing braces. What happens is they go towards the movement of the slug on impact and the braces cause them to move back towards the original position.

It's not rocket science. Just the laws of physics!

Otto Harkaman 11-23-23 01:53 PM

Well it looks like it is a hit from the front and she sees it so her natural instinct is to crawl out the back thinking the shooter is in the front. Why would she crawl towards the shooter?

https://images.fineartamerica.com/im...et-unknown.jpg

Dowly 11-23-23 02:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Otto Harkaman (Post 2893131)
Well it looks like it is a hit from the front and she sees it so her natural instinct is to crawl out the back thinking the shooter is in the front. Why would she crawl towards the shooter?

She is looking at JFK when he is shot, so she possibly couldn't see where the shot came from. Trying to make sense as to what and why she does what she did is pointless. She just saw her husband's head pop open, she tried to simply get away from the situation.


Edit: Re: "magic bullet" That's just one image of it, others show it is much more damaged than that.

les green01 11-23-23 06:00 PM

Clint Hill done a lot of interviews reason she climb on the trunk was to get peices and stuff from the head wound and even said she had grab some and he be the one to know after all his ass is the one hanging out on the car if you watch the film in slow mo you will see the gore flying out the front of his head and car moving at 11mph so wind going carry a lot of it backwards and the witnesses several of them seen the rifle being use the guys below the 6th floor could even hear the eject casings hit the floor above them i think the problem is people don't want to think a loser like him could get that lucky also witness said they seen him at a range had the scope sighted in and was target shooting if you ever been there its not that great of a distance what 265 feet which comes out to 88 yards and a slow moving target

mapuc 11-23-23 06:31 PM

The building where Oswald fired his rifle from had a perfect view when Kennedy came driving down the avenue. So why didn't he fire his rifle there. Why wait until Kennedy is in front of some leaf and branches(there was a tree in the path, if I remember correctly)

Markus

em2nought 11-23-23 07:04 PM

I'm probably a better shot than Lee Harvey Oswald, and I don't picture myself being able to make that third shot. After the first shot I'd have been a mess with my brain telling me what's coming for me. I don't picture him as the calm cool collected type. :hmmm:

My rifle sharpshooter qualification is a simulated rifle qualification though.

les green01 11-24-23 12:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mapuc (Post 2893159)
The building where Oswald fired his rifle from had a perfect view when Kennedy came driving down the avenue. So why didn't he fire his rifle there. Why wait until Kennedy is in front of some leaf and branches(there was a tree in the path, if I remember correctly)

Markus

Clint Hill says they would have spotted him after all people across the street seen him and the rifle for JFK that would have been the best back then the trees not as tall as they are now so it didn't take long for them to get in the open

les green01 11-24-23 12:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by em2nought (Post 2893162)
I'm probably a better shot than Lee Harvey Oswald, and I don't picture myself being able to make that third shot. After the first shot I'd have been a mess with my brain telling me what's coming for me. I don't picture him as the calm cool collected type. :hmmm:

My rifle sharpshooter qualification is a simulated rifle qualification though.

On December 21, 1956, Oswald was tested for marksmanship with his rifle on five different exercises—from 200, 300 and 500 yards firing slowly and from 200 and 300 yards firing rapidly. Based on these results a Marine would be rated by a defined scoring system: over 190 points was considered a marksman, over 210 was a sharpshooter, and over 220 was considered an expert. Oswald scored 212 and was rated in the middle as a sharpshooter. For the slow test, the target was 10" tall by 10" wide. For the rapid fire test the target was 26" wide by 19" tall. A closer examination of Oswald's 200 yard rapid fire result shows he hit 8/10 bullseyes and scored 48 out of 50. An expert rating on this test would have required a minimum score of 44 points (44 points x 5 tests = 220 points required). On his next test, 300 yards in rapid fire, Oswald hit 7/10 bullseyes scoring 46 out of 50. Again an expert rating on this test would have required a result of 44. So in both tests that most closely matched the conditions in the Kennedy assassination for rapid fire shooting Oswald scored above an expert level. Additionally on his third test from 500 yards firing slowly, Oswald scored 46 out of a possible 50: again shooting above an expert level.after the first shot he knows the odds are against him so least take the target out even then he just manage to escape think he down on the fourth floor when he runs into the manager and police officer with the manger telling the officer that oswald works here and out of the door he goes gets on the bus just think if the bus hadnt been able to drive away

Dowly 11-24-23 03:39 AM

Something I find worth noting is how Oswald landed the book depository job in the first place is strong indication that it was a opportunistic killing.

Around mid-October, Oswald's wife heard from their neighbour that another neighbour had gotten a job at the Depository. The first neighbour then asked the other if he could ask for a job for Oswald. #2 told #1 to tell Oswald's wife that there might be need for more workers at the Depository. Oswald and another man were hired and by chance the manager decided to have Oswald work at the Depository while he sent the other new employee to work at another location.

This all happened around mid-October, a whole month before it was even internally decided where JFK would speak in Dallas and which route the motorcade would take.

I mean, does that sound like a carefully planned conspiracy to assassinate JFK?


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