If it bleeds, it leads

All ready seeing it on Sky News and to be fair they did not film it, some camera person filming a women clearly in shock does not need having a camera filming her while zooming in and out.

They're going to howl but the simple fact is that there are laws in place to keep people from having these guns already so I don't know what they're going to try to say beyond "take all of them"

I don't know about you, but clearing buildings and rooms takes a while. There's 3309 rooms in that hotel based off of Wikipedia. Even if they saw the room he was firing from, he could have moved. I'm sure they cleared nearly every room for 5 floors up and down from where they had the report.

Looking at the math, it's almost an impressive firing position. Definitely not by chance and definitely not a beginner. Roughly 400 yards out and assuming a story is 10 feet....It's (ish, give or take) a 413 yard distance to be firing which is pretty difficult unless you're experienced with weapons. This wasn't an amateur for sure. Automatic weapons at that distance for that event, oh yeah. Planned for sure.

Sure makes me feel good about the country concert I'm going to this weekend. :doh:

I'd say from the videos I've seen posted it's almost without a doubt. Whether it was modified or originally configured for full auto...it was firing too fast to even be a bump fire.

According to details given int the latest press briefings by officials, the first LEOs on the scene of the shooter's room were met by gunfire from inside the room; not knowing exactly how many or how well armed the shooter or shooters may have been, they fell back until SWAT could respond. Additionally, reports have said fertilizer compounds of the sort used to make IEDs were found in the car of the suspect, so maybe the LEOs were concerned someone who seemed to be so well prepared and armed might also have taken contingency action by setting up IEDs or other booby traps; such traps are often used by terrorists to inflict harm to first responders; remember, when the LEOs went to the shooters floor, they didn't know if it was actual organized terrorism or a lone whacko; either way, you have to be ready for the worst...





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I think all automatic weapons should be banned, you don't hunt game with machine guns!!!:doh:
The gun laws here in Australia are the opposite, it is very hard to get a license for a single shot .22 for example, ridiculous when you live in a country area where the nearest house is a mile away!! (sorry about the rant:oops:)

For the USA at least, it is extremely difficult for the average person to get an automatic weapon. There's a TON of paperwork and licensing involved and even then it's still illegal to hunt with an automatic weapon. In Missouri, you can't hunt with an automatic gun or a gun with magazine capacity over 10 and Missouri has very loose legislation.

They're not banned necessarily...but it is illegal for the average person to have one.

To buy an automatic weapon you have to have a full ATF/FBI background screening, fully register the firearm federally, fingerprints, recent photo, chief law enforcement approval, etc etc and it takes a long time.

The only problem is that laws only apply to those that follow them. I've never heard of anybody defend owning an NFA/Automatic firearm by saying they hunt with it. It's usually collectors, history buffs, or EXTREME hobbyists in my experience.

There's also the bump fire modifications like the one linked above that's a bit of a loophole but still frowned upon. Thanks Julhelm for the video. I entirely forgot that the stocks exist that allow you to do that. Without modifying the gun, it is possible to fire quick bursts like that....but only in very quick bursts.

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That surprises me a little bit about Australia. I would figure they'd be a little looser on gun legislation.

It is against the law here if you are caught with a spud gun, water gel guns, or any plastic pellet guns.:doh:

Yeah, the Aussie government decided after 35 were killed and 23 wounded that enough was enough. Between 1991 and 2001 the number of firearms related deaths in Australia went down by 47%.

Funny old world.

Well, it's fairly long range but he had 20,000 people packed shoulder to shoulder, he did not need to be accurate. With that much range, it was difficult for the people on the ground to know where the fire was coming from, I bet.

I'm interested in learning if he has a legal automatic, or illegally modified semi-auto. I don't go for all the homemade full auto gimmicks, that should be illegal.

Wasn't there a girlfriend/partner or some female person of interest? I've heard she was interviewed/in Tokyo. Nothing since this morning.

Only thing I know about her Neal is that she is out of the country, somewhere in SE Asia. Hard for me to believe she didn't know what kind of firepower he had purchased, but can't say she knew how he was planning to use it.

When the first videos of the shooting were shown on the news reports, I thought, at first, the seeming automatic fire was just the sound of the shots ricocheting off the adjacent buildings, making it seem like full auto; the news station here played the footage a couple of more times, and, on the second play it was very obvious it was full auto; I can only imagine what it must have been like to have been in the crowd hearing the sounds with no idea of what was really happening or where the shots were coming from...






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IMHO, when something like this happens, as little personal information if any should be released about the perpetrator. The media should just refer to them as "some psychopathic loser" and then focus on the victims. I think the attention one receives after committing an act like this, whether or not they survive, plays more than a small part in their motivation.

Depending on how horrific the act, the media may spend weeks, months or even years discussing it. If you have a manifesto, they'll plug it and it will likely be published so the world can hear what you were angry about. You'll probably get your own Wikipedia page and, if you're lucky, you'll even make the cover of Rolling Stone. You just have to do something a little more heinous than the last thing in recent memory and you're a star.

F███ that. Stop making these pieces of filth famous. Wipe their names and memories from history and focus on helping the survivors and the victims' families. It may not stop all of the wack jobs out there, but at least it will give them one less reason to commit murder. After all, who wants to be remembered for five minutes as "some douche who couldn't handle life"?

Personally, I don't care who this s███head was or what his problems were. The authorities can look into that and if they feel there is something that can be done in the future to prevent a similar incident, they can suggest it and we can consider it and vote on it. That should be the only "legacy" these scum leave behind.

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Did you ever imagine if it was easier and cheaper to get a legal minigun?

Did you ever imagine such nutjob would be shooting on such a massive crowd with a minigun? :hmmm:


Such a sad and good joke in the same time...:-?

The question has been raised about why the hotel didn't notice the shooter taking large amounts of luggage or other items into the hotel and/or his room. The shooter was what is known in gambling parlance, a 'whale': someone who gambles large amounts and spends large amounts in the casinos and hotels; these people are given very great deference and many rules and behaviors expected of we lesser folk are bent, stretched or waived for the 'whales'. If the shooter did bring in unusually large or heavy baggage, I seriously doubt any of the staff would be inclined to question such a "good" customer...





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