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Originally Posted by Razoleg (Post 2490183)

[...] On 30th of January 1945, S-13 Submarine of the Baltic Fleet hit and sank "Wilhelm Gustloff", which was an armed cruise ship transporting Nazi military personnel. This was the biggest, single submarine kill of all time that is yet unmatched. The Captain of said submarine was Romanian-Soviet skipper by the name of Alexander Marinesko.

Really?

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Originally Posted by Mr Quatro (Post 2490222)

I have a plan ... lets only let two qualified people run for office....

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!:haha::haha::haha::haha:

You are killing me. Where do you come up with these gut-busters? I almost wet myself. Thanks I needed a good laugh. But, lets get serious.

I have given up on qualified and would gladly settle for "not bottom of the Barrel" or "what the hell were they thinking of?"

The average random person off the street ain't looking to bad these days.

You almost had me. "qualified people" :haha::haha::haha: Might a well hope for a pony for my birthday while I am at it.

I'm glad my innocence can provide you with humor ...

I'll just turn the other cheek :yep:

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Originally Posted by Catfish (Post 2490228)

Really?

Yep, really. Care to contest - write in my private messages. I eat Nazi apologists for breakfast.

One Wilhelm too many

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Originally Posted by Catfish (Post 2490228)

Really?

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Originally Posted by Razoleg (Post 2490409)

Yep, really. Care to contest - write in my private messages. I eat Nazi apologists for breakfast.

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Originally Posted by Catfish (Post 2490425)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MV_Wilhelm_Gustloff.

Close enough to "really" for a sig!:arrgh!: , The vessel was armed with '2 hastily mounted' antiaircraft guns; Herr Shön's research backs it all up, http://www.feldgrau.com/WW2-Germany-Wilhelm-Gustloff-Cruise-Liner Propaganda notwithstanding. This being essentially a WWII U-boat forum ( with apologies to Cold Water buffs:O:) Of some interest was the role of unlucky Korvettankapitän Wilhelm Zahn and his formal hearing after the fact.

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Although Zahn had the highest rank on the ship, Petersen, as a merchant marine captain, had formal command of the vessel, a fact that ran counter to the sensibilities of Zahn, who was unwilling to accept Petersen's authority. At the same time, Zahn had military priorities which differed from those of civilian captain Petersen but since he did not have the legal authority to impose his decisions on the civilian captain, eventually the two men ran into conflict concerning the details of how to plot the path that Wilhelm Gustloff would take. Problems also arose between the two officers regarding the ship's speed and the taking of safety precautions related to avoiding attacks by submarines which could be present in the area at the time Zahn was drawing from his U-boat experience and was aware of British anti-submarine tactics in the Atlantic which included a minimum cruising speed limit of 15 knots for British commercial vessels, necessary to safely outrun the U-boats, and proposed this to Petersen. Petersen however was mindful of the damage the ship had sustained in an aerial bombardment the year before and did not believe that subsequent repairs to the hull were completely effective and had doubts that the ship's hull had the structural integrity to withstand the stresses imposed by the speed proposed by Zahn. He therefore insisted that the ship's speed not exceed 12 knots

Clearly not entirely a Russian submarine problem but a clear violation of chain-of- command issues which contributed mightily: at sea there can/should B only one captain. The Croation crew was of little use too. Both captains survived the sinking.....:hmmm: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wilhelm_Zahn Now we can get back on thread!

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Originally Posted by Razoleg (Post 2490409)

Yep, really. Care to contest - write in my private messages. I eat Nazi apologists for breakfast.

Catfish is hardly a nazi apologist.

^ Thanks August.

Sorry for OT, maybe better in another thread.
I admit I was not exact, Razoleg's signature is not wrong. Of course there was "Nazi" personnell plus Gestapo and their families on the Gustloff, and the ship was also armed, if poorly. As Aktbby said it was not running under a red cross, thus following international conduct of war and treaties. Marinesko did nothing wrong, the Gustloff was a legitimate target, and sinking it was not a war crime.
The thing i do not like is that the signature looks as if there had been only military "Nazi" personnell aboard. There were also around 8000 to 9000 other civilians, an estimated 5000 of them being children. Of course by war propaganda all germans are "Nazis".
So the hero sank "Nazis". Nothing more to think about?

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Originally Posted by Razoleg (Post 2490409)

Yep, really. Care to contest - write in my private messages. I eat Nazi apologists for breakfast.

:hmmm:

Today I learned, Catfish is a Nazi-apologist.
I guess tomorrow I'll learn that the sun is cold, and the moon is but a giant cookie orbiting Earth... flat Earth, of course.

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and the moon is but a giant cookie orbiting Earth

Really!! all these years I thought it was like a small planet!!:hmmm: shows how much I know!!:oops::doh:

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Originally Posted by Catfish (Post 2490597)

^ Thanks August.

You're welcome but I was just stating fact. Something that this 20 post new guy might have understood for himself had he had stuck around long enough to get to know people before dropping the "n" bomb like that.

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Originally Posted by Razoleg (Post 2490409)

Yep, really. Care to contest - write in my private messages. I eat Nazi apologists for breakfast.

I can state I have only met the one around these parts over the past year or so and they certainly didn't go by the name 'Catfish' so now can we move back on topic please.

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Originally Posted by Aktungbby (Post 2490448)

This being essentially a WWII U-boat forum ( with apologies to Cold Water buffs:O:)

The name is SubSim.com, not U-boat... It is a site for all sub sims.

Neal's first reviews, in December 1995, were for four games. Two of the were about U-boats, two were not. The first listed review is for Silent Service II, an American sub-in-the-Pacific game.
http://www.subsim.com/ssr/ssr_history.html
http://www.subsim.com/subsim_reviews_index.php

Further reports of Russian efforts to subvert US election processes:

Russian Cyber Hacks on U.S. Electoral System Far Wider Than Previously Known --

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...-u-s-elections

Cyber attacks on 78% of the states is more than a little disturbing and very much worthy of investigation and remedy, unless of course, not offending the Russians and their US GOP apologists is more important than the integrity of the free and US citizens' protected right to vote...

<O>

quote from link ^

"President Vladimir Putin
said in recent comments to reporters
that criminals inside the country
could have been involved
without having been sanctioned
by the Russian government."

:D