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Oberon 02-19-17 09:23 AM

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Originally Posted by ikalugin (Post 2467229)
I only remember a nuclear accident in France recently, but I don't think that they had a release of radioactivity.

To be honest if you are looking for problems in the ex-Soviet power generation infrastructure you may be better off looking for problems on Ukrainian powerplnats, as those have issues.

It seems to have been somewhere in Eastern Europe, could be Ukraine. :hmmm:

Gargamel 02-19-17 09:29 AM

Well, we know they have a history of doing that.....

*ducks*

Kapitan 02-19-17 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Gargamel (Post 2467142)
That's the thing. Over there, this is common place. There's always some military vessel passing close to somebody's waters.

But over here on the Island of North America, we flip out when Aeroflot flies into JFK. Ok not really, but being isolated like we are has formed such weird xenophobic attitudes.

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Originally Posted by ikalugin (Post 2467229)
I only remember a nuclear accident in France recently, but I don't think that they had a release of radioactivity.

To be honest if you are looking for problems in the ex-Soviet power generation infrastructure you may be better off looking for problems on Ukrainian powerplnats, as those have issues.


its not just Ukraine its more to do with the reactor specifically RBMK fitted into plants like chernobyl there have been many across former soviet republics 161 accidents to date across the world

Kyshtem 1957 was one of the worst pre 3 mile island and chernobyl

however there have been incidents in other plants of the same design as chernobyl and they still operate today Tomsk 7 also had an accident

As for Chernobyl i have been there and seen it for myself and Chernobyl has been shut down since 2000

ikalugin 02-19-17 03:35 PM

It is not about RBMKs specifically, it is about the state of the Ukrainian nuclear power generation in general. The powerplants themselves are fairly low on resources (some of that shortage comes from the general economic situation in the country, some from equipment and supplies being "donated" to the armed organisations in the country) and there are several potentially dangerous projects underway (such as the attempt to switch from Russian made fuel assemblies to American mades ones).

August 02-19-17 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by podunkpete (Post 2466784)
Having been in NAVSECGRU working for the DIA, why is this being blown out of proportion?

I'm guessing that the Dem press is hoping that Trump will overreact to it. To them the risk of war is secondary to making the administration look bad.

Buddahaid 02-19-17 08:01 PM

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Originally Posted by August (Post 2467369)
I'm guessing that the Dem press is hoping that Trump will overreact to it. To them the risk of war is secondary to making the administration look bad.

Not buying that.

August 02-19-17 08:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Buddahaid (Post 2467430)
Not buying that.

Ok then why is it suddenly front page worthy news when every time it's happened before it wasn't?

Buddahaid 02-19-17 09:03 PM

Because anything Russian is a hot topic now. I'm not buying the war part. If Trump makes national security decisions based on media reports, which he labels fake news anyway, instead of national security advisers, oh wait he doesn't have any because nobody wants the job and he's in open conflict with the intelligence services. Sure that's the media's fault and not some intrinsic fault in is character because it's never his fault on anything. The man is a charlatan.

Jimbuna 02-20-17 07:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Buddahaid (Post 2467444)
Because anything Russian is a hot topic now. I'm not buying the war part. If Trump makes national security decisions based on media reports, which he labels fake news anyway, instead of national security advisers, oh wait he doesn't have any because nobody wants the job and he's in open conflict with the intelligence services. Sure that's the media's fault and not some intrinsic fault in is character because it's never his fault on anything. The man is a charlatan.

There is a growing feeling of agreement on that opinion here in the UK as far as I can ascertain :yep:

Gargamel 02-20-17 07:23 AM

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Originally Posted by August (Post 2467369)
I'm guessing that the Dem press is hoping that Trump will overreact to it. To them the risk of war is secondary to making the administration look bad.

Well, he's on record saying we should blow it out of the water....

August 02-20-17 07:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Gargamel (Post 2467527)
Well, he's on record saying we should blow it out of the water....

Actually no he didn't. You could only get that impression if you cherry pick the quote.

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Mr. Trump himself referred to the ship at a marathon news conference on Thursday, saying that his critics probably think “the greatest thing I could do is shoot that ship that’s 30 miles offshore right out of the water. Everyone in this country’s going to say, ‘Oh, it’s so great.’ That’s not great. That’s not great.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/16/u...-usa.html?_r=0

See?, pretty much the exact opposite.

Oberon 02-20-17 08:43 AM

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We have a very talented man, Rex Tillerson, who’s going to be meeting with them shortly and I told him. I said “I know politically it’s probably not good for me.” The greatest thing I could do is shoot that ship that’s 30 miles off shore right out of the water.Everyone in this country’s going to say “oh, it’s so great.” That’s not great. That’s not great. I would love to be able to get along with Russia. Now, you’ve had a lot of presidents that haven’t taken that tack. Look where we are now. Look where we are now. So, if I can — now, I love to negotiate things, I do it really well, and all that stuff. But — but it’s possible I won’t be able to get along with Putin.
It wasn't so much his critics that was aimed at, but the whole of America, note he says 'everyone in this country's', not 'all my critics would say', because let's face it, if Trump shot or didn't shoot, his most critical critics would hate it anyway. No, this was what would make him more popular politically because of what he deems to be the anti-Russian sentiment amongst the American populace which he considers himself to be rallying against.

Kapitan 03-01-17 04:35 PM

Shooting a ship regardless of its purpose in international waters is an act of war, do you not thing that Russia would want retribution ? what about the Norwegian Marajata that sails regularly off the northern coast of Russia just a mile beyond the 12nm limit he is talking about a vessel that is sat 30 miles out.

Catfish 03-01-17 04:39 PM

Maybe Trump can push its territorial waters to the mid-atlantic again, to provoke an incident.. Momp anyone?

August 03-01-17 06:15 PM

So Trump has said he wouldn't shoot at the stupid Russian ship yet you guys just continue talking like he said the exact opposite.

What I can't figure out is if you actually believe it.


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